lol, the arsenal is far from broken, I do not think i have ever come across someone who seems so angry with a particular fleet/army. I dislike Necrons in both systems but for me its just funny or entertaining.
And my chip comes out when gw heap all the love on imperial armies and fleets, thats why IN has a gajillion battleships to choose from don't get me started on Marine codex spam.....
My chip comes from wanting to add more to something which already has a huge advantage already. You dislike Necrons? And what if Necrons got some stuff which are more anti-Eldar? Also, what codex spam?
As for adding more battleships, while it may seem that IN has a gajillion battleships, the Eldar VS can result in almost as much variety as the IN battleships. You just don't have them with distinct name classes. Heck, in the end, all the IN battleships can be reduced to one chassis, name it Terra, and then just modify the weapons, armor, turrets and speed values. The latter 3 are the only difference among the battleships and the one the Eldar battleships do not have. But again, I don't mind if Eldar do get 5+ armor for their battleship for CWE or even CE.
You don't 'know' currently its just an opinion, your comments on the eldar fleet at large carry more weight as you have played them a fair bit by the sound of things, I notice no one else threw a tantrum ?
Just coz no one's throwing a tantrum doesn't mean it's not true. Not everyone reads these boards and if mine is just opinion then so is yours. Let's leave it at that until we get the games in then.
As the rules are the 'contention' missing out on them is kinda fundamental to your position.....
You've missed out and misread some of my rules yourself. So let's leave this issue here then.
Yes , because a good IN player is just gonna let us do that., as eldar ships go it is slooow and even slower if it fires its Lazah / D lance
not likely to be doing much zipping,its more likely to just end up in the middle of your fleet a big fat turkey ready to be plucked ...... read the rules !!!
Oh, yes, IN is slow and a good Eldar player will allow you to do just that. Why would I shoot when I know the ship will be sitting in the middle of the IN fleet? Common sense dictates I do something to avoid that situation. Again, zip past and the IN player won't be able to do much about it. Aside from which, you do have other ships to harass the IN ships.
As I stated earlier I skipped 3rd and 4th ed 40k due to them sucking so I have no idea. I'm not sure my win-loss ratio has any bearing in this conversation.
Of course there is. If you have an excellent win/loss ratio using Eldar compared to other races, that definitely has a bearing.
Your implication was that access to a stalker makes them a harder fleet , my point was that infact it makes no difference to the corsair fleet , I honestly think the most OP corsair lists will not contain one.
That will depend on the playstyle. Some people will be able to use a VS in an escort heavy fleet to good effect, even better than an all escort fleet. Others will prefer all escorts.
because you can buy multiples....
No, even if I took only one, an average roll for a direct hit means a cruiser is crippled. A battleship has 1/3rd of its HP gone. That is why an NC ignoring shields would be broken.
Auto crit on top of the other damage you cause? Its(probably my fault as the rules are not clear its d6 hits of which ONE is upgraded to an auto crit. so no potential 7 hits , you are very unlikely to get more than 1-2 crits most of the time
Unlikely, maybe. Dice are fickle though. Just because it is unlikely, doesn't mean it can't happen. You could get 3 or more on some days and others not. You roll the right crit and yes you can get 7 or more hits in. I've had it happen and so effectively lost my battleship.
Phoenix ship with special wep upgrade and Raiders is 470 , 2 dragon ships with Raiders is 540 , so yes the dragons cost more , I had the prices the wrong way round in my head apologies .
Ok.
As in two 'together' as a pair for roughly the same outlay in points is likely better/more points efficient/flexible
True but then again, you can have the Phoenix and a Dragonship and you would come out better than 2 Dragonships for slightly more cost, wouldn't you?
There is plenty of background fluff to indicate that the Eldar still occasionally bring out the pre fall Mega weapons, not sure where else you would be able to use them other than on a big ship .......
Craftworld most likely.
Actually the earthshaker is much the same if you shoot it at anything without sheilds BOOM! as soon as you shoot it at say a titan or superheavy with shields it becomes a bit meh , the main point being that the all of the gothic weps are in some way based or related to existing tech available to the races in 40k.[/color]
Yes but not all have to be brought to the other game. In a game where Eldar is clearly dominant already, I don't want to see them adding to their arsenal.
Mech eldar do not need MSM in 40k a good player can still run rings around most opponents. I expect the crystal targeting matrix will be back in some form. Eldar can still move twice due to Star engines.
Sounds like you dislike or have trouble playing against ultra mobile lists/armies, you must hate dark eldar !![/color]
Not in BFG. In 40k without the MSM, used by an average player, you can still catch up to the Eldar. Yes, ultra mobile armies which can shoot you and then move out of harms way does leave a bad taste in the mouth. However, with BFG Eldar, I don't see any way of removing MSM to provide the survivability to Eldar. Give them 5+ would make them similar to DE. While that would make sense, it would dilute their flavor. So I don't mind MSM in BFG for now unless they come up with a suitable replacement. I'm still dubious about the previous MMS iterations though Horizon is still in the process of improving on it. Maybe in the future they can come up with one which will feel fair to most parties. Then I might be amenable to adding more weapons like the the ones in the Phoenix to Eldar.
