BFG FAQ 2010 Fleet Specific Questions

[RayB HA]

Fracas,

A Chaos fleet worth 750pts or more has to have a capital ship. This is in the FAQ.

Cheers,

RayB

[horizon]

Powers of Chaos (Terminus Est and Nurgle) pdf questions:

i) When are the other battleships released like the intro says? (Evil question).

ii) The Terminus Est has a Mark of Nurgle coming with it (in the points). In the fleet list my Warmaster has a Mark of Nurgle in the costs. Do I have double Mark of Nurgle now? Thus another +1 hit to the Terminus Est? Or am I just wasting 35 points for nothing?

[RayB HA]

Roy,

They will be released when Lord of the Rings is sacrificed to the share holder gods!

You don't get another mark of nurgle, instead minus 35pts from the warmasters cost.

Cheers,

RayB HA

[horizon]

So, that'll be in the FAQ? Cool.

hmm, I kinda like LotR SBG. I hope they ditch WHFB.

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

Well, you don't have to release an actual model to sell but it would be nice to have stats then just have the player convert their own Chaos character battleship.

[RayB HA]

Roy,

Well it will be up for discussion. We(HA) have plowed through most of it, I'll throw the late questions in after we've sorted the ones that are in the topic starters.


Admiral_d_Artagnan

Indeed, it might be an idea to have a competition (similar to how the Vengeance got made), of course there still won't be a model released but it might be cool. Don't get excited the others might not be up for this!

Cheers,

RayB HA

 

[horizon]

Ah, good to know you started working on the final FAQ2010 (I've got this tournament coming up in september...).

[horizon]

Hi Ray,

some friends looked at this :

[quoteFighta-Bommas: Fighta-Bommas are fighters with a speed of 25cm. They may also attack like bombers with D3 attack runs instead of D6. Fighta-Bommas count as having +3 to turret suppression. E.g. If a wave of 4 Fighta-Bommas attacks a cruiser with 2 turrets they will have (D3-2)+(D3-2)+(D3-2)+(D3-2)+ turret suppression(2) attack runs. Note: If each Fighta-Bomma marker attacks individually they will have (D3-2)+ turret suppression(2) attack runs, which is far more offensive. 

Fighta-Bommas and turret suppression: When a wave of fighta-bommas attacks a ship you must decide if any of the markers will forgo their attack runs in favour of turret suppression. This is in addition to the inbuilt +3 fighter suppression.
[/quote]
and found it utter confusing compared to the current mess....  lol

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

Hey, competition would be neat. I would join. LOL!

And yes the current FB rules are more confusing than the last the 2007 FAQ. Which was simple actually until people who couldn't accept that Orks could actually have more attacks than Eldar complained.

[fracas]

fighter suppression with regular bombers (rather than orks fighter-bombers)

B x (D6 - (F - T)) with B is the number of attacking bomber, F is the number of fighter escorts in the wave, and T is the of defending turrets; limited by (F-T) is <= 0.

or is it

B x (D6 - T) + (F - T) ?

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

Before I had understood it to be (D3-T)+3. Simple enough.

[russ_c]

fighter suppression with regular bombers (rather than orks fighter-bombers)

B x (D6 - (F - T)) with B is the number of attacking bomber, F is the number of fighter escorts in the wave, and T is the of defending turrets; limited by (F-T) is <= 0.

or is it

B x (D6 - T) + (F - T) ?

Ha, I see how it is fracas!  You just don't trust my formula over at portmaw!   It's neither of those formulas...

You roll for a D6 for each bomber and subtract the turret value from each D6, where (D6-T) is >= 0
Then you add F at the very end of the bomber calculation. F cannot be greater then T ( F <= T )  Thus you get the formula that is different then both you've presented:

(BD6 - B*T) + F

Your second formula is close, but you do not subtract the turret value from the number of fighters.  Additionally, you can't express the bomber attacks as B*(D6-T) because that implies that you roll a single D6.

But, your probably looking for a response from Ray!

Russ

[fracas]

not you russ


just that it is unsettling to think i may have been playing it wrong

[horizon]

Russ is right on standard bombers/fighters.
Admiral d'Artagnan is right on fighter bombers. As is how it should be imo.

[fracas]

with your interpretation against T6 ships the only component of the wave that causes damage is the fighter. thus a wave of 3F + B would cause 3 attacks, which is better than a wave of 3B+F! that seems odd that fighters does the damage regardless of what the bomber attack roll is

with my formulation a wave of 3B+F against T6 is 3x(D6 - 5) or 0-3 attacks at best
and a wave of 3F+B causes (D6-3) or 1-3 attacks
thus variability remains with the bomber roll.