BFG FAQ 2010 Fleet Specific Questions

[Vaaish]

The Endeavour and its variants are supposed to be worse than the Dauntless and as such cheaper (about 100pts each). It's ram spike is purely cosmetic.

The problem is, they aren't about 100 points, they are 120 points or 10 points MORE expensive than the dauntless.

[Zelnik]

My point exactly Vaaish

Ray, have a look at the imperial navy section, you may find yourself surprised there.

The Endeavor series were meant to be Cruiser escorts (like how the dauntless is meant to be supported by escort craft).  Thats the reason behind it's stronger port and starboard weaponry, and it's slow speed. It was meant to move and suppliment the power of larger ships.. unfortunately, they utterly lack the staying power that they need.

[horizon]

20pts for a 6+ prow on voss cl is too much,.... but wait...

You say 100pts for them? Cool, add those 20 to get 120 which is the current costing (right?) including a 6+ prow!

[Caine-HoA]

And a Question:

Is it possible to use a venerable Battlebarge in the Amageddon Fleet List? As all other space marine vessels can be used and the VBB was introduced after creating the Armageddon List i wondered if that is possible. And it would be very cool to be able to use my custom made VBB in my list.

I guess the question has been read over.

[RayB HA]

Caine-HoA,

Sorry about that, but as the 'geddon list is Imperial it can only take Imperial reserves. And the VBB won't be dropped straight into the list. Sorry.


All you that Endeavour,

I know how expensive the blighters are, they were 'supposed' to cost about 100pts. I'm sorry if I misled you. Nothing will change for these guys in an FAQ. The game intention for them is to pair each one with a full cruiser to bolster the weapons of the full cruiser quite specifically. Making thier torps str 8 (or just using the str2 to clear fighters on CAP), making 6str AC waves if with a Dic, or adding complementary firepower with the Lunar. Ofcourse you can use them on thier own but they tend to suck.

Cheers,

RayB HA

[Zelnik]

where do you get this info, Ray?

[Caine-HoA]

@RayB
I understand what they are ment for but that doesnt have anything to do with the costs that are too high. it doesnt matter whether its to expensive when used with a cruiser or alone. In Both cases its too expensive. Other ship costs have been changed in FAQs as well so what prevents altering them?

[horizon]

If they where supposed to be 100 then say that in the FAQ. What is the problem with that? Printed material?

[Zelnik]

Then we have a choice.

We either keep the 120 point cost, and give the Endeavor, Endurance and Defiant a 6+ prow
OR

we reduce their cost by 20 points.

either choice will bring the ship into balance with it's point cost.

[RayB HA]

The Endeavour is not going to change in this FAQ! Drop it!

Cheers,

RayB HA

[horizon]

Alas, pity. Then we can only hope you start up an Armada revision thread soon.

[Commx]

Now that these matters have been resolved, I will endeavour () to get back to asking further questions for the FAQ.

One remarkable thing which just struck me when thinking about what you said about the Space Hulk boarding a Ramilies and being counter-boarded afterwards:
1) Although a Ramilies cannot be boarded within the scope of a game, could it actually board a vessel foolish enough to end its turn in base contact itself? And if it could, would it actually be capable of 'losing' considering the target would normally not even be capable of attempting a boarding action?

And a bit about Tau Orbitals:
1) Are Orbitals considered to be 'normal' Defences in every way unless specified otherwise? I presume so, but it would nice to have it actually stated.
2) If Orbitals are bought as Waystations, where must they be deployed? In the Tau Deployment Zone, in Gravity Wells, either of those, or both at once (which is more often that not impossible)?
3) Nicassar Dhows have a Leadership of 'Parent+1', does that mean they will automatically gain a Leadership of 8 if part of a Nicassar Caravan?

[Caine-HoA]

Maybe it should be clarified whether the spores of tyranid escorts are used as shield as well or only as turrets.

[Zelnik]

Well at the very least we are starting to narrow down what can and cannot be done. It would help, Ray, if you could set out the guidelines for what CAN be changed.

[RayB HA]

Caine-HoA,

The only 'changes' that can occur are in correcting errors. This can be text that is open to multiple interpretations, a bog standard typo, a forgotten addition, or minor changes to anything not in armada or the rule book.


Commx,

Good to see more questions!


Cheers,

RayB HA