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Offline Duke

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So when is someone gonna cough up...
« on: October 23, 2015, 02:42:23 AM »
An original Voss prow, or entire endurance cruiser. I've saved all the pictures of these on the net onto my drive (there's only three or four, lol), but I desperately want an exact mould of the prow. There's many look alikes and semi-accurate instructions, but besides Tyberius's Gothicomp piece, none really fit the bill. I'm talking about the real deal here.

Some here has to know one of the three current owners. Let's get these babies copied and back into circulation!

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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2015, 05:15:40 PM »
You're asking for an illegal action.

The original molds had a massive weakspot in the main hull.

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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2015, 04:44:13 PM »
Ah, I thought this point might come up. A little surprised it comes from you Horizon, as it feels like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to something that's pretty much common under the table knowledge.

I'll try to put this as respectfully as possible.

BFG is pretty much dead, and will survive only as far as we want it to. There are casters already in this community who provide excellent replacements, and there are (very easily accessible) casters who provide cheap identical original models. The future of this game relies on people having access to models, and a community to play them with.

To the point of this thread though:
The Voss model itself was a prototype that never saw release, and was scrapped around 12(?) years ago. This ship in particular, above all other models, really has the weakest grounds for infringement- which for the whole range grows weaker and weaker. I would contest your statement that asking for a recast of a Voss ship would be illegal at this time.

Yes I am familiar with it's structural weakness, considering the effort I had to go through to identify the pictures and current owners. I don't know them personally though, as others here do. I am confident though that our current tools can easily bring these babies back to the table sans mid-ship warping, if the owners were willing to lend or sell the model to a person with a good rep.

Cheers!

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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2015, 05:36:38 PM »
Hey Duke,
Knee jerk or not but this site still goes by the policy of no IP infringement. So it is also kinda forbidden to post links to obscure websites selling 1:1 copies of out of production models.

The HA members have the original models as far as I know.

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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2015, 12:57:06 AM »
Try shapeways, a little google and you can find some.

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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2015, 12:55:15 PM »
Razor Pattern.

Also, why-oh-why did they stop making a popular product at the dawn of the 3D printing revolution?

They could open their own shapeways shop and be profiting from this for no cost.
All ahead full. Ram them.

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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2015, 09:24:16 PM »
To clarify here, the grounds for infringement don't get weaker over time. A recast is still just as infringing now as it would have been when the models were fresh out of the molds. What can get weaker is the willingness to pursue copyright infringement. Blatant infringement like what you are advocating is more likely to get the attention of GW regardless of time or intent to market to that segment. This happened a couple of times with the Epic community even in the last year and in may ways Epic is in the same boat as BFG.

The desire, albeit noble, to keep BFG alive doesn't erase the infringement you are suggesting take place to do so. While there will always be ways to get the original models or copies of those models it doesn't mean we need to blatantly support illegal behavior as you suggest in your post. Personally I believe we can keep BFG alive without GW. There's certainly a large scale following for other Specialist Games that shows lack of original models doesn't spell doom for the system.
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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2015, 07:42:32 PM »
That's actually not entirely accurate, at least as far as U.S. law is concerned (the only jurisdiction where I'm licensed to practice).

Length of inactivity by the copyright holder can be a factor in both abandonment and Fair Use.  In a way, more blatant infringement is actually more effective in establishing abandonment. 

Even so, GW's BFG copyright is unquestionably secure and casting (even just for personal home use) is technically a violation. 

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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2015, 02:25:21 AM »
Hey Duke,
Knee jerk or not but this site still goes by the policy of no IP infringement. So it is also kinda forbidden to post links to obscure websites selling 1:1 copies of out of production models.

The HA members have the original models as far as I know.

Point; it can justifiably be argued that GW make mass-produced toys/game-pieces, in which case their products fall under Design Rights rather than Copyright, and as such all the BFG designs would be free for anyone to use at this point.

Of course, someone would have to be willing to make the recasts in the UK and then stand up to GW in a court of law to establish that as legal fact, but they would have a strong case - it's not so straightforward as simply saying "this is IP infringement".

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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2015, 09:00:56 AM »
But why bother with all that when there are good proxies?
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Re: So when is someone gonna cough up...
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2015, 11:23:56 AM »
But why bother with all that when there are good proxies?

Hurry up and get your big transports up for sale then  :P