BFG:R Vote 64: Finalize Chaos

[afterimagedan]

Please vote! Also, if any typos are found, we can still change them. 

[Bessemer]

No link?

[afterimagedan]

Right, yes. Link!

BFG:R Chaos

It's the same as the one you can get to from my forum signature.

[Armiger84]

I like the changes to the Abbadon's 13th Chaos Cotillion fleet list and the Chaos Renegades fleet list to make them distinct and interesting.  I went over it and put together a minor typos list that I'll go post in the Chaos BFG:R thread.

[Neferhet]

Very good work on the fleet lists.
For me we it just need to be finalized (altough i'm not a fan of the Chaos Light Cruisers )

[afterimagedan]

Noticed some issues here:

1.Black Crusade needs to have a written in CSM entry on their page. I will get to that.
2. Secondary commanders are often useless. All the powers lists can take CSM for 5 pts less than a secondary commander and it does way more than the secondary commander does. 30pts for Ld 8? or 25pts for Ld 8-10 and all the massive load of CSM upgrades? What do we do with this... 

[Armiger84]

Go back to Chaos Lords being Ld +1?  That's still a problem with +CSM, let alone +1 Ld prows, but iirc there's really only a couple of CGs where that's possible, and two where its a likely combination (Retaliator, Nephilim), and at that point they're costlier than some Battleships, so...  is that a "problem"?  Or does that make sensor prow Retaliators with CSMs or Chaos Lords mandatory for a competitive build?

Alternatively... Is it worth thinking about nerfing CSMs or limiting their use per full 500 or 750 points?

[afterimagedan]

Chaos lord at +1 would be a good change because it would then be an admiral you can add to ships for that bonus +1 instead of it being just set 8, even putting them on a CSM vessel. Anyone else game?

[AndrewChristlieb]

I thought all of the secondary commanders were going to be +1 (max 9) for 30points. Ld8 is only worth 25pts from the fleet admiral pricing.

[afterimagedan]

For Imperials:
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4965.msg38641#msg38641

For Chaos:
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=5136.msg40547#msg40547

I don't think it would be much of a swap to just make the Chaos ones the same as the Imperials. Just go for it?

[Armiger84]

IIRC they work(ed) that way in the Armada 13th Black Crusade list anyhow, so I certainly don't have any problems with it.

[afterimagedan]

What should we call them? Aspiring Champion?

[Neferhet]

Rogue lords?
Arch-Heretics?

[afterimagedan]

I think Aspiring Champion fits in with the Dawn of War 2 heroes for Chaos as well. They basically have a Chaos Lord, Chaos Sorceror, and a "Plague Champion" which is an Aspiring Champion of Nurgle.

[AndrewChristlieb]

It sounds cool, Im game.