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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 04:35:27 AM »
Aye on Shadowlance.
Lower Aspect Warriors to 20pts?


Keep in mind: the points for admirals, aspect warriors will only be changed for the BFG:R variant of MMS, the 1.9b version as standalone is to work along with rulebook/faq2010.

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2013, 04:55:27 AM »
Yep I hear that. Shadowlance it is. Also, aspect warriors are already 20pts!

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 06:30:53 AM »
Lol... ahem....
15pts if they are less then CSM.
Or give them +2 on h&r as well. hmm...

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2013, 06:39:36 AM »
I don't see why an aspect warrior upgrade should be any less than space marines. They are actually more points per aspect warrior in 40k and lore wise they are equal with them.

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2013, 09:33:42 AM »
"Make it so."
- J.L. Picard

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2013, 05:26:16 PM »
I propose the following:

Changes:
-Phantom Lance in the CWE list will be called the Shadow Lance
-Incubi (15pts)
  +1 boarding modifier
  Roll 2D6 and pick your result in H&Rs
  -1 to enemy H&Rs against a vessel with Incubi
(this should be 15. It's only +1 to boarding and the other H&R stuff adds to their +1 H&R built in rules. These are budget space marines without the additional +1, planetary assault and exterminatus stuff, and without the leadership bump.
-Archon to 50pts, still with no reroll
-Aspect Warriors (20pts)
  +2 boarding modifier
  +1 to H&Rs, -1 to H&Rs against them
(my reasoning behind 20 pt Aspect Warriors is that they do no get the awesome Ld chart that the marines get, which should probably be more expensive than the SM get it for. Anyways, the SM and CSM upgrade is 35pts and gives them the upgrades I propose for the Aspect Warriors and also the chart. I figure that the Ld upgrade is worth AT LEAST 10 pts. Also, the Aspect Warriors do not get the Planetary Assaults and Exterminatus rules. At this point, the Mark of Khorne gives double the boarding value for 15pts, which can no only neglect the opponent from getting a +1, it usually gives the Khorne player a +1 (often the equivalent of +2). That's a fantastic boarding upgrade for 15pts. The Dark Eldar Wych cult is the same way. This is an additional +1 to boarding as compared to the previously mentioned Incubi but does not have the nice stacking that the 2D6 has with their +1, making the DE H&Rs very powerful.)

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2013, 08:24:19 AM »
So will the Corsairs go to the 1 hit as suggested? Seems like a good idea to me.

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2013, 08:36:55 AM »
I'm not sure about it anymore. In fact, the Hellebore and the Corsair are pretty much the perfect 2 hit escort. Also, in other games, the 4+ armor really caught up to them. I'm fine with keeping then 2 hits still. I'm hoping to play test more soon.

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2013, 08:46:45 AM »
My kitbashed DE escorts are small.. so 1 hit.  ;)

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2013, 05:42:35 PM »
Any other thoughts on the changes?

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2013, 06:02:53 PM »
Original Corsair was huge. Nearly light cruiser size. I'd keep it at 2 hits - yeah, when I built my DE, escorts were small when BFG:R came around I just started using them as Subjugations.

Having Corsair at 1 hit would make it too similar to subjugation. So if they are to have two escort types, one should stay at 1 hit.

Only thing people can miss is having 1-hit lance escort, i think... maybe we could add that option to Subjugation? Sort of like Dark Hemlock?

Also, I'm all for the other suggested changes, they seem reasonable.

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Re: BFG:R Eldar and Dark Eldar Revisions
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2013, 08:14:53 PM »
Ok, well let's vote on these and then discuss a Subjugation variant. Anyone else before I put this list up?