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Offline BaronIveagh

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Re: BFG:R Light Cruisers
« Reply #225 on: March 30, 2013, 01:01:35 AM »
Or until Max writes again.


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Hi Colin,

That is one possibility, sure. Another possibility is that the crew could restructure the ship entirely to field larger launch bays, and integrate the Strength 2 Jovian Bays into their individual Defiant-class Light Cruiser.

I hope that this is helpful!

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On Mar 29, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Colin wrote:


So… you're saying that the component might taken at a better craftsmanship version at +1 str?


 
From: Max Brooke [mailto:mbrooke@fantasyflightgames.com]
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Hi Colin,
 
Good question. The Defiant-class Light Cruiser uses the Light Cruiser version of the Jovian-pattern Bays (the Escort Bays, which are Strength 1). 
 
However, a crew might be able to undertake some sort of endeavour to upgrade the fighter capacity of these bays (adding new components, co-opting space from other parts of the ship, or finding another solution), increasing their Strength accordingly.
 
I hope that this helps!
 
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On Mar 29, 2013, at 1:43 PM, <email redacted> wrote:



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Rule Question:
In Battlefleet Koronus, it states that the Defiant class light cruiser uses Jovian pattern bays but does not say which one.

The str 1 does not match the rules the rest of the carriers seem to be using, but the Str 2 does.

But the str 1 says it's for light cruisers and the str 2 says it's for cruisers.

So which is it?

It looks like we're both right depending on the craftsmanship of the launch bays.  Or, at least, that's how I'm interpreting this.  I'll just concede the point though, since the correct answer seems to be 'it varies' which is SO GW...
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Re: BFG:R Light Cruisers
« Reply #226 on: March 30, 2013, 02:26:00 AM »
Not really. Those are both very direct answers. The Defiant gets str1 launch bays. Thats not saying that the crew cant find a way to make them str2 but they all come with str1 standard.
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Re: BFG:R Light Cruisers
« Reply #227 on: March 30, 2013, 04:24:52 AM »
Not really. Those are both very direct answers. The Defiant gets str1 launch bays. Thats not saying that the crew cant find a way to make them str2 but they all come with str1 standard.

Yes and no.  Several IN ships, such as Gothic, are actually impossible under RT rules unless they use at least 'Good' Craftsmanship parts, which can alter the item involved's stats including str. 

It basically ends up boiling down to was the ship built to a higher or more average standard.  BFG is geared toward 'generic' ships as the baseline, but individual forgeworlds have different levels of capability and craftsmanship.  And pattern.

That and the difference in the amount of space they take up is bizarrely miniscule, comparatively.  Str 1 is 4 units, str 2 is 6, but str 1 holds 3 AC wings, str 2 holds 6.  And due to the fact that Defiant only has a single free weapon hard point that cannot accept a broadside weapon, even at str 2 you can pack it with optional components like a sardine can and have room and power to spare.  The problem is: at str 1 lbs it can be killed by a single iconoclast very, very easily, particularly compared to the sort of beat down that the Iconoclast would get from every other cruiser.

However, the number of possible arguments for and against is staggering, which is why I'm conceding the point.  We'd argue in circles for weeks with the only result of getting irritated with each other.


BTW: I have to throw this out here: I'm a crazy to want a 4 lb Defiant, but it's perfectly OK for Chaos to get the Torpedo Machine known as Schismatic?   
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Re: BFG:R Light Cruisers
« Reply #228 on: March 30, 2013, 06:42:09 AM »
I think the answer is exactly the same.
Standard the Defiant comes with str1 launch bays. He writes that in your reply as well.

He does add that the crew could restructure the ship to fit bigger bays.

So with extensive work, yes it could be, but standard -> str1 bays.

You have to agree on that one.
Andrew's comment on the 6000 vs 15000 pilots also support this.

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Re: BFG:R Light Cruisers
« Reply #229 on: March 30, 2013, 12:48:31 PM »
So with extensive work, yes it could be, but standard -> str1 bays.

Well... again, yes and no.  Remember that different craftsmanship levels of the same component have different stats.  That's why I asked him specifically about if it could be taken at +1 str by simply having it at a higher craftsmanship level (same as macrocanons and lances).  So, yes, it is the Escort bay, but the escort bay does not necessarily mean str 1.  Remember that IN ships do not always, and in some cases cannot, use the standard component.  Which is why I concede the point because without further information we'd just sit here and argue.


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Re: BFG:R Light Cruisers
« Reply #230 on: March 30, 2013, 01:26:59 PM »
That last part is true, but wouldn't it be more convenient if it was the basics that dictate the rule and not possible added extras?

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Re: BFG:R Light Cruisers
« Reply #231 on: March 30, 2013, 01:44:06 PM »
That last part is true, but wouldn't it be more convenient if it was the basics that dictate the rule and not possible added extras?

True but because of Gothic we can't actually say for absolutely certain because it takes the 'added extras' to make one of the more or less basic ships of IN, and at str 1 Defiant is broken to the point that no one would take it by choice in RT.  (it would actually be better to take the Endeavour and fit it with the escort bays.)
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