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Title: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 02, 2009, 07:35:00 AM
October is here (it took me a day to notice) and with it comes the second month of the 'Tale'.

After a great start will our intrepid army painters be able to keep up the pace? This thread is where we'll find out!
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 02, 2009, 10:30:56 AM
Stomm, this mounted character plus legionary is fantastic. I like the shield paint and also the figure of the legate. It is so well sculpted.

Do someone know if the Perrin brothers will make more 10mm figures?
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 02, 2009, 11:56:06 AM
My Romans aren't by the Perry Brothers, that's Rick's army, and IIRC they cast some up as a prize for one of the WHH weekends a couple of years ago. My Romans are by Steve Barber: http://www.sbarber-models.clara.net/main.html (http://www.sbarber-models.clara.net/main.html)

Glad you like my efforts BTW, taking a bloody long time though... At my current rate I think that I may just about be able to submit one unit a month, if I'm lucky. Not for wont of trying though, just trying to find the time to paint is, well rather difficult...


But... The important thing is I am actually getting some painting done, so my painting progress this last month or so has been slow, but still its been infinitely greater than the last two years or so...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 03, 2009, 01:14:34 PM
Stomm: uff, yes of course, steve barber... even I asked you the same thing before... :-[ I have my head in a thousand matters... and sometimes I am confused.
Doesn't matter you can not upload a unit every week, you still painting and you are very enthusiastic !

Here I post my 5th week contribution: Ra-Min-Ka cavalry regiment, (they had been raiding from the desert to the heart of the Empire, beware Ostland and Talabheim  ;) )

-two shots, in irregular formation and regluar formation

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/RaMinKacavalryregiment.jpg)

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/raminkacavalryreg.jpg)
have fun

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 04, 2009, 09:34:37 PM
Very nice jchaos, you've really got a nice distinctive style going with these undead.

Here's my latest effort, just a single hero but I'm pretty happy with him. The sculpt is odd though, he's got a gigantic head!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/Levinas/DSC03604.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 04, 2009, 09:42:41 PM
Here's my latest effort, just a single hero but I'm pretty happy with him. The sculpt is odd though, he's got a gigantic head!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/Levinas/DSC03604.jpg)

Nice, same for jchaos79 as well for that matter, and yes, his style for this undead army is very nice and consistent. Actually, any chance of some photos of the whole lot so far jchaos.


Anyway, as to why I quoted. Yes, he has got a big head hasn't he, you should see what a whole unit of the bleeders looks like, loads of hairy beards everywhere!....


Nothing new from me so far. I either haven't had the time, or in the case of the last two nights have gone up to my games room, only to be distracted by my PC and Medieval II Total War. I've had a broken monitor for a while (left the window open during a thunderstorm, yes I know, bloody stupid), and have only just now replaced it. The good thing painting-wise is that it's actually an HD-Ready 19" widescreen TV, so I can plug my old PS2 into it to watch DVD's whilst painting. The bad thing is of course that it also means that I can now be very easily distracted by my PC games, and my PS2 is bloody noisy when playing DVD's so I have to put the volume dangerously loud to be able to hear anything (my games room is right above the girl's room).


Anyway, gonna go crush some rebels before bed, but I do honestly intend to pick my brushes up on Monday evening...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: m4jumbo on October 05, 2009, 05:13:51 AM
Week 4 for the Ostland Army.  This week we have, you guessed it, more halberdiers.  On one hand, your're all probably getting tired of seeing Ostland halberdiers.  On the other hand, there's only one unit of halberdiers left for this project.  In any case I'm still enjoying painting them.

Halberdier unit 3 of 5
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0401.jpg)

Halberdier unit 4 of 5
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0402.jpg)

Both units together
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0403.jpg)

The progress so far.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0404.jpg)

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 05, 2009, 09:01:46 AM
M4jumbo, that halberdier are great, the banner with the skull is my favourite, and I think I can't get bored with empire figures, they are beatiful!

Nice, same for jchaos79 as well for that matter, and yes, his style for this undead army is very nice and consistent. Actually, any chance of some photos of the whole lot so far jchaos.

Thanks pw and stomm for your impresion! -I here I post a pic of the army in october, I cheat a little bit and include the units painted before starting the tales, but I think the pic is for showing the style more than the progress.

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/Armyoctober.jpg)

Also, yesterday, for fun,  I take the putty and try to make "something similar" to the guy with the hammer for pw... it just the work of an very amateur, but I share with you... maybe painted will look better!.

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/empire6.jpg)

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/empire7.jpg)

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Swordmaster on October 05, 2009, 11:21:30 AM
I guess I haven't noticed we have October already either! :)

So here is my September/October entry once again:

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a22/Swordmaster_pl/Reavers2a.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 05, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
Sordmaster: more reavers, good! yep in my opinion the horses seems a little flat, but this also enhance the horse in the tabletop!

Well here is it painted: sigmar hammer priest

by the way, las weelend I visit all the GW stores searching for SH, and I bought a citadel brush (very thin one my first time to use citadel brush), and I am surprise for the low quality of this brush... they have wonderful colours, but brushes...

coming back to sigmar hammerer, here is how I will put the hammer (not decided yet)... I am not sarisfied with the hammer... maybe too big?

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/martillodescanso.jpg)

Here are some shots

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/sigmar.jpg)

So pw, if you like it, considered yours
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 05, 2009, 02:39:52 PM
@jchaos: I'd be delighted to have him sending orders to my Empire troops, thanks! :) As for the hammer, I think it is possibly a little on the large side - I think I'd aim for something about the same size as a White Wolf Knight's hammer. I wonder if it'd be possible to drill through his hands and position it across his body like the one in the picture? I guess that depends on how big his hands are. And you've inspired me to have a go at some 10mm sculpting myself. What are you using? It looks like milliput?
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 05, 2009, 02:51:40 PM
- I think I'd aim for something about the same size as a White Wolf Knight's hammer. I wonder if it'd be possible to drill through his hands and position it across his body like the one in the picture? I guess that depends on how big his hands are.

Yep... I am so foolish... I have the white wolf hammerers, and do not realize to unpacked them up to see the size... About the hands, drilling could be dificult because the figure have the fingers little open (he was a jenissarie archer, but really do not know, because I have never drill a figure and do not have driller in house. My be could be nice to attach with cianocrilate cement.

And you've inspired me to have a go at some 10mm sculpting myself. What are you using? It looks like milliput?

So good! it is really funny, well I only have made the two space marine, the orc and that is my fourth figure. I use milliput standard yellow - grey, but I don't know if exist other better for modelling 10mm.
DaveC if you are reading this it ewill be great to have some advice from you.

I will varnish and send it to you during this week. Feel free to repaint it ( I paint it in 20 minutes very quickly just for shown) or attach the hammer as your wish, or try the same conversion and obtein a better result! I used OT10 Janissaries bow from pendraken.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 05, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
Cool. I won't be repainting it, it's a much nicer gift as it is. I'll have a go myself and see what I can come up with. In terms of sculpting I'd assume most people would use Green Stuff but I'm not an expert (in any way at all).
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 05, 2009, 06:41:42 PM
The reavers look nice.

The hero is a great start into the world of modelling.
I use both greenstuff and milliputt.
I also use sculpting tools and color shapers I bought off of ebay.
Remember to keep your tools wet (;)) as this will stop the putty from sticking to them.

For drilling I know you can use a hand held hobby tool (dremel) but I use a 12v battery drill with between 1mm and 2mm bits for drilling and pinning.
You have to be very careful you don't drill your fingers and ALWAYS wear goggles.
The drill bits are small and snap easily, one of those in your eye will have you looking like a pirate for the rest of your life, NOT FUNNY!!!
 I managed to drill my chaos general on dragon mounts hands to add an axe from the botfa dwarves.
As long as you take it slow and steady you should be ok.

I also managed to drill and pin my trebuchet's struts that are 7mm square using this method.

But when all is said and done there are a LOT of better modellers on this forum than me :)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 05, 2009, 07:44:40 PM
Thanks for your nice words Azrael, and also for the advices!
wet the tool, what a great idea!  :)
and also... the protective glasses... I have some pair of them and I will rescue from my parents house my dremel maybe next week. If someone know more tips, advices for modelling 10mm they are very welcome here? or in the thread "jchaos79 warmaster proyects"
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 05, 2009, 08:23:11 PM
Sorry for the lack of variety over the last few weeks, but here is this weeks offering.
4 more botfa goblins this time in yellow and red

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7687.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7689.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7691.jpg)

Just 4 more to go and then they are done.
Might also have a go at painting my trebuchets.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 06, 2009, 08:52:47 PM
Finally the last 4 units of botfa models for this army.
4 units of goblins in blue.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7693.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7694.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7695.jpg)

That is 16 in total.
My trebuchets are built and undercoated so they will probably get finished this week.
Next for the army will probably be my boar riders or will move to finish off all the goblins for the army.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 06, 2009, 08:58:53 PM
Wow Azrael, you have spent a lot of work painting 16 goblin unit.... in.... 2 weeks? or less?

In my opinion you should move on the boar raiders instead going for more goblins... too much goblins should not be good for the health  ;)

green tide on the computer screen!
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Rolgan on October 07, 2009, 11:18:38 PM
Azreal,

You are a painting machine...I've been struggling to paint a unit of far harad light cavalry, you've painted what 8 or more units of goblins? I wish I could achieve your output, but sadly real life is ...uhm... hectic at the moment.  I have decided to hold off on basing any more of what I paint at the moment as basing is adding significantly to the time it takes me to "finish" units.  With that in mind I hope to have one or possibly two units to show this week.

Good job to all the others who are actually meeting their "quota" and thanks for this "Tale of..." It at least has me consistently painting.

~C
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Pugwash on October 08, 2009, 06:58:30 AM
Wow, that's a lot of Gobbo's! :o

Another week, another unit:
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn114/warmaster888/WM%20Araby/Archers.jpg)

The archers are pretty good to paint.  So good, in fact, I managed to get 3 units done this week (there was a long weekend ;))

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn114/warmaster888/WM%20Araby/Archers2.jpg)

1 more unit of archers, and that'll finish off my 10 infantry units.  Then it's on to try and put a dent in the knights before the movers arrive!

Interested to hear how other folks are doing, even if there's no update as yet...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 08, 2009, 07:04:29 AM
If someone know more tips, advices for modelling 10mm they are very welcome here? or in the thread "jchaos79 warmaster proyects"


Use vasaline (petrolium jelly) to lubricate your tools, much better than water or saliva for keeping the green stuff or other material from sticking to your tools. Just a very thin coating will do the job. It also makes getting a smooth finish that much easier.

As to what tools to use. Well in my vast experience of sculpting only one 10mm model, I have to be honest in saying that the tool that I found most useful, and therefore used the most was a needle. The 'pointy end' was very helpful when sculpting chain mail, hair, fur and the like, and the eye of the needs was very useful for pretty much everything else. For any sharp flat edges, I used one of my hobby knives.

I now have a whole host of different dental tools to use for sculpting, but have yet to get around to sculpting something again. When I do, it will probably be firstly to finish off the Norse Were that I started many years ago now...


Oh and remember to wash your models in between layers. Vasaline not only stops the green stuff from sticking to your tools, it stops it from sticking to pretty much anything. Soap and water should do the trick. Oh and putting your models under a lamp for five minutes will help to cure them more quickly. I ended up using my daylight bulb more for this than for illumination when I last did some sculpting...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 08, 2009, 07:08:10 AM
Interested to hear how other folks are doing, even if there's no update as yet...

Well I haven't made any progress at all this week. I've had a stinking cold which has meant that when I do finally get the kids to bed, I am much more liable to collapse in front of the TV with a cup of tea or play on the computer than paint. I expect this week to be a complete wash out with regards to painting, at least until I get myself some more lemsip...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 08, 2009, 07:37:53 AM
As with Stomm, progress is slow here. Term restarting (I'm a lecturer) plus Harry deciding that we all need to get up at half five has slowed things down a bit. Having said that I've painted up a base of halberdiers and hope to finish off a Helblaster tonight. I'm also planning to make some 10mm scale walls - so far I'm thinking of making them of individual plastic stones and then getting them cast up in resin if they turn out ok. Before I go mad cutting out hundreds of little rectangles does anyone know if there are any ready made ones that look good? Failing that, does anyone have any suggestions as to what would make the most useable wall? I'm thinking it needs to come in 120mm strips, be about 6mm tall and have a fairly low flat base. Lookswise I think I'll aim for something like the current GW walls.

EDIT: Just seen the archers (pictures don't seem to display on my phone  ???), very nice indeed. I'm incredibly jealous of those of you who've pretty much finished the infantry.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 08, 2009, 08:19:59 AM
You can actually get sheets of plasticard with a stone wall texture, or brick wall if you wanted for that matter. I know where to walk to get some, but alas no online links. Try googling 'textured plasticard' and see what come up, or if you have a model railway shop nearby they will probably have something...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Swordmaster on October 08, 2009, 09:15:58 AM
Greetings!

We have some very fast painters here. :) Both gobbos and archers look great. Can't wait to see some pictures of the painted brigades of the rest of us. :)

As to the progress so far I managed to finish first stand of archers. I find it refreshing to change a unit to paint each week. it might look chaotic but it keeps my enthusiasm. And as much as I appreciate the high level of painting and speed I will keep my own pace of one unit per week. :)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 08, 2009, 09:40:07 AM
Stomm: Thanks for the tips. It will be great to see your in progress Nores Were.

Swordmaster: I do the same, jump into different units. Painting the same unit twice correlative is just a little hard for me.

I'm also planning to make some 10mm scale walls - so far I'm thinking of making them of individual plastic stones and then getting them cast up in resin if they turn out ok. Before I go mad cutting out hundreds of little rectangles does anyone know if there are any ready made ones that look good? Failing that, does anyone have any suggestions as to what would make the most useable wall? I'm thinking it needs to come in 120mm strips, be about 6mm tall and have a fairly low flat base. Lookswise I think I'll aim for something like the current GW walls.
pw: I know in modelling shops they sell the bricks to build up... a church, or a building model, or so on... When you have the little brick take thick cardboard, a special one... I dont know its name... in spanish is called "Cartón pluma". It is used a lot by art academy students. Then is easy cut the cardboad into dimensions and glue the bricks to make a wall. House is easy because you use a pile of bricks for the corners.


I show you some pictures

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Walls%20and%20buildings%2010mm/wallsandbuildings.jpg)

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Walls%20and%20buildings%2010mm/wallsandbuildings2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 08, 2009, 09:56:41 AM
Stomm: Thanks for the tips. It will be great to see your in progress Nores Were.

The ones so far are conversions, basically sticking wolf heads onto marauder bodies, bear upper bodies onto human legs (that one does look suitably odd) and so on. The sculpting that needs to be done on them is largely to hide the joins and to fill in missing details, etc... I might have a go at scultping one or two from scratch though, might be good practice for me...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 08, 2009, 01:25:37 PM
Thanks for the ideas. I might try picking up some textured plastic card and see if I can make something of it that looks half decent. And those bricks! How incredibly cute. They're probably a bit big for my purposes though, I'm imagining a brick will be 4mm or so long (just typing that puts me off the project massively).
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 08, 2009, 02:29:17 PM
Actually having one of the FW fortresses I can tell you that the model itself was almost certainly built solid, and then the 'blocks' attached to the outside of the model.


Anyway, I've got 1/2 an hour before I have to pick the girls up from nursery, I'm afraid that puffy eyes, etc... (bloody cold!) mean that I'm going to crash out with a bowl of ice cream and either carry on watching 'The Return of the King' (it was on 4HD and is taking up space on my V+ box), or go and play a bit on the computer. I might change my painting water for tonight though...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 08, 2009, 09:01:54 PM
pw I dont understand complety the point of the "wall", if you are searching for something like barricades pendraken has wonderful and very pretty ones. They are scaled to 10mm and the width is just a warmaster base. They are a little hidden in the pendraken list because belong to range of figures of WWII.

I do recomend them. I use them with empire list as parapetes (10 points) need an order to deploy them, count the unit as defended. When the unit moves, they leave the parapetes and are remove of the game.

(I hope that is what you are looking for.... because not, I just tell you a nice story :) )

The pic is during a game (the biscuit cardboard is crop-land  :P) (curiosity: these little dudes were my second ever painted unit of warmaster )
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/arcabucerosdisparando.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 08, 2009, 09:25:39 PM
I guess I'm trying to make some attractive stone walls to act as linear obstacles and help combat the power of cavalry in my games. Ideally I'd like them to look reasonably realistic and to mimic the GW Warhammer look as closely as possible.

In terms of height etc those obstacles look pretty much spot on. I think I might order some up soon. Thanks for the pics.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 08, 2009, 10:25:07 PM
You can make some very nice log barricades using BBQ skewers and glue.
Just add a few WM off cuts and they look great and at a fraction of the cost.

Pugwash, those archers are great.
Loving the poses.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 09, 2009, 11:04:22 PM
A bit of a distraction from painting the Empire but anyway, here's my first attempt at a 10mm wall. Not perfect but my patience ran out for sculpting tiny bricks. Any suggestions for improvement will be very welcome.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/Levinas/DSC03618.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 09, 2009, 11:15:34 PM
A bit of a distraction from painting the Empire but anyway, here's my first attempt at a 10mm wall. Not perfect but my patience ran out for sculpting tiny bricks. Any suggestions for improvement will be very welcome.

use 3mil foamcard and replace some of the outer layer on either side. On the exposed foam use a sharp pencil to score your brickwork and give that some collour, while the "card" areas can be used to represent whitewahs/dauble
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 09, 2009, 11:32:17 PM
Right, October has come and Heyou, Grand Pouhah of the Red Hand tribe is back for some more colour after gettin a tan (see my Gallery Thread for some more info on Heyou and the tribe of the Red Hand).

As you all know I mentioned that I would have bit of a time-box problem during the end of September and early october. So I figure it was not more then fair to make sure I have evidence...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020326.jpg)
It turned out that Heyou managed to get some troops to stow away in my luggage to raid Khemri, although technicaly speaking they already have a "tan"
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020327.jpg)

So whilst they were along anyway, I figured to wine and dine them
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020328.jpg)

You will notice that I am strictly speaking not working on one unit at a time
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020329.jpg)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020331.jpg)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020332.jpg)

This has to do with the fact that this will be my first try at using Armypainter, hence I am preparing 8 units of Horsearchers and 3 units of Archers, as wel as a command stand
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020342.jpg)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020343.jpg)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020344.jpg)

Oh yeah... I mentioned before I figure I have a sollution for the Bears unit (as well as an alternative for the Warwagon)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020345.jpg)

I will use
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020346.jpg)
to sculpt and cast me some Hairy Squigoths, which can double as bears, and probably as mounts for my Knight units too, whilst the upperstructure will work well as (part of) a Warwagon....
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 10, 2009, 12:43:28 AM
pw: these wall looks pretty good

Lex: looking forward to see how army painter works on 10mm. I have real curiosity
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 10, 2009, 08:37:45 AM
Lex: looking forward to see how army painter works on 10mm. I have real curiosity
Me too, so keeping a foto-log of all steps will be to everyones benifit  8)

Depending on weather I will have all units prepared for washapplication this OR next weekend (if weather stays fair enough I have a chapionship game this afternoon and a tournament tomorrow, in which case painting will be pushed to the evenings of the comming week)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 10, 2009, 10:09:33 AM
Lex, I am really interested how the army painter will work out.
I toyed with it for my O&G's but after a few trials thought it would be quicker to just use my normal methods.
I spoke to a GD entrant last week whose painting standard is fantastic.
They were doing a 28mm demo of army painter so I asked about their thoughts on using it on 10mm.
They thought that dipping may not be apllicable but painting the wash on may work.
I look forward to your findings.

Mick
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 10, 2009, 02:01:11 PM
Thje closest I've seen to dipped WM was an orc army that had been basecoated and inked all over with the old GW brown ink. They looked good to me but my attempt to do the same was awful. I guess it's all down to the colours of the base coat. I'm also looking forward to the results.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Guthwine on October 10, 2009, 02:49:48 PM
One of our dwarf players in the club has used the fanatic army painter for his dwarfs and they look very good. Which is really was surprising as I thought it would only fit to dark armies like chaos and others.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 10, 2009, 11:01:37 PM
Well, today's weather was good and so I ended up taking a championship ..... at around 16:00 this afternoon, with the rest of the time dedicated to celebrating sosI wont be taking the next step tomorrow, but during the next week....

Camera is ready and I will keep a picture log of results !
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 11, 2009, 03:11:21 PM
Had a few days off painting goblins so decided to finish off my 2 siege trebuchets I bought last week.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Siege/treb.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Siege/treb2.jpg)

This week, I will be working on my squiggoth I think.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: m4jumbo on October 12, 2009, 03:23:41 AM
Ostland Week 5 contribution.  SOmething other than halberdiers this week.  Some serious fire power gets added to the Ostland army of Baron Oskar von Hellman in the form of two units of great cannons.   

These were fun to work on, like making a small diorama.  The pictures could have turned out better.  I may see if I can retake them and update them later. 

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0501.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0502.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0503.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0504.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 12, 2009, 11:08:11 AM
Well, monday and I show you my 6 week contibution.

- It is a liche on chariot. The liche is a mummy and the chariot is pulled by two big jackals... (animal very realated with the dead world in egyptian mythology... anubis the jackal-head, and so on)...... So, just enjoy it

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/mummyonjackalchariot.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 12, 2009, 01:42:18 PM
This weeks output, my squiggoth with a rabble of goblins in the howdah.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7710.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7711.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7712.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7713.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7714.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7715.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7716.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Swordmaster on October 12, 2009, 01:56:42 PM
Greetings!

Here is my update as well, another unit of archers:

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a22/Swordmaster_pl/Archers03.jpg)

This week I decided to paint second unit of Phoenix Guard, as I like the miniatures very much. :)

BTW, great job people, good to see new units painted. :)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 12, 2009, 02:53:24 PM
PW: Ah, I thought you were talking about making a castle or fortress wall... If you're making yourself some linear obstacles like that, I may as well suggest that you get yourself some air drying latex, some two part resin, some lego blocks and a well ventilated garage, shed or spare bedroom and cast yourself up a full set. If you've ever been to WHW you will notice that pretty much all of their terrain is custom made, then reporduced in resin, which works really well for walls, and even moreso for the Mordheim tables they've put together, bloody great they are if I do say so myself...

Lex: I'm guessing you were in Egypt for the scuba diving... Out of interest, why the light tan undercoat?

azrael71: Nice trebuchets, although the sculpting is rather 'basic' isn't it? I don't see even the slightest hint of wood grain, etc... The Squiggoth is nice as well, is that an Epic Forgeworld one BTW?

m4jumbo: Mmmm, cannons... Not much more to say really, as IMHO there is no such thing as too many cannons... Very nice and effective, although I'm not sure if I would have done all white wheels. As and when I ever get around to painting a unit of WM Averland cannons or other artillery, I am likely to either leave the wood parts painted all black, or possibly paint the spokes and things like that box yellow, leaving the rest of the carriage and the rim of the wheels black. I've left my WH Averland artillery all-black, with the yellow being partially represented by the bronze on the guns themselves (ok I know, really its more brown-orange).

jchaos79: My those are big Jackels.... The only criticism I can really say is that perhaps they look a little too alive? Other than that, great idea...


Swordmaster: Again, nice neat High Elves. The blue and gold scheme seems to work really well. I might however suggest that you bring the browns on your wood almost to white. Currently the sort of I'm guessing vomit brown that you're using has a tone very close to the gold that you are using, but then of course that may be your intent anyway...

I do like the blue-washed scale armour BTW, I think it ties in with the blue fabric very well, and is that a gold trim I detect?
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 12, 2009, 03:13:52 PM

Lex: I'm guessing you were in Egypt for the scuba diving... Out of interest, why the light tan undercoat?

Because that was the undercoat-can I had at hand at the time. I figured I would use the tan as a base colour for "something" once I would be painting these up (and they where always meant to be a proxy-kislev army), so I decided to have my gobs a tad more yellowish..   for the same reason I undercoated my Slaaneshi troops pink.....  less to paint that way  ;)

And yes, Egypte for beach holiday, which includes some diving and lots of snorkling .... (and some Sakara.....)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 12, 2009, 05:27:46 PM
lol i just see now this funny thread , i become to paint my army just yesterday (in reality i've painted some years ago a giant , warboss on wyvern and a rock lobber) my huge orc army. Ok i try to put some photos when i finished some model, for what i rember now my collection is 2 unit of chariot , 6 goblin , 8 orc, 1 black orc , 12 charac +2 boar chariot , 3 troll  unit , 1 ogre , 2 wolf boyz , 1 boar boyz , another lobber . But some other stuff have to arrive me , and maybe i forgot to write something else. Now i'm going to paint them.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 13, 2009, 09:02:16 AM
@lilith: Welcome aboard, I'm looking forward to seeing the Orcs, they're some of my favourite WM figures (although I'm not sure I'd enjoy being their general!

@Stomm: I'll put a picture of the wall so far below, do you think it'd cast up in its present form? It's got small gaps that might cause problems.

@Swordmaster: Those are my favourite of your elves so far. Is something slightly different? The bases? They look great as they are but I think I'd also try them with lighter bows (perhaps bleached bone leaving the current colour as shading around the hands and highlighted with some white added in).

@azrael: What a nice toy! In the spirit of making good stuff 'more gooderer' I have two thoughts: 1) I wonder what it'd look like with a wooden howdah (more Warhammerey?) and 2) I'd stuff even more gobbos in, the look cool riding on the back of such a beast!

@M4jumbo: I like the white wheels, very bling!

@Jchaos: Once again I'm enjoying your painting. Your style is really distinctive and works really well.

@Lex: I'm just too jealous to comment at all. I see Beers, Pringles, snorkles....

And finally, before my pics, thanks to Jorge for the brilliant Warrior Priest. When I get the courage up I'm going to drill out his hands and give him the hammer. And thanks to Jorge (again) and Stomm for the knights, they'll be the next unit painted once I finish the long slog of painting a unit of Halberdiers.

Ok, the pictures:
Helblaster:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/Levinas/DSC03623.jpg)

And a helblaster hiding behind a wall:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/Levinas/DSC03628.jpg)
(as you can see I added another layer of bricks, this time slightly rounded in profile).
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 13, 2009, 10:20:20 AM
@Stomm: I'll put a picture of the wall so far below, do you think it'd cast up in its present form? It's got small gaps that might cause problems.

Well you'd probably get maybe ten castings before the mould breaks, and of course it would be a right bugger to separate when first made.

I feel that I should give a quick text guide to mould-making. Even though I have never actually done so myself, I have been to Tiranti's, bought the casting kit and read up on it, I even subscribed to the 1list sculpting list, sculpted a few things but haven't yet managed to find the time to take it any further. I am hoping that this will change in January, so instead of doing a Masters (which will cost money we don't really have, and frankly I wouldn't know what courses to apply for anyway) with the extra time that having both girls in nursery more prior to my likely re-entry to the full-ish-time job market in 2011, I'm going to have a go at sculpting and of course spending some more time painting, oh and getting more work done in the garden, oh and of course doing the odd-jobs around the house that have been left uncompleted for two years, oh and of course taking on an allotment, oh, and well you get the picture...


Anyway, rambling about my lack of time aside. There are much better qualified people here to talk about casting things, as they've actually put theory into practice. But basically when making the mould you cover one half with plasticise in a hollow box made with lego bricks. Then you pour in the air drying latex, and then when its cured reverse the process ensuring that you've got plenty of release fluid on the existing latex. Make sure you have some holes to secure the two halves together using bolts or something, and then of course cut pour and air channels, and there you go, one mould for mass producing walls. Make enough of them and you can flog them on ebay for a couple of quid. Well that's my plan eventually anyway ;)



And finally, before my pics, thanks to Jorge for the brilliant Warrior Priest. When I get the courage up I'm going to drill out his hands and give him the hammer. And thanks to Jorge (again) and Stomm for the knights, they'll be the next unit painted once I finish the long slog of painting a unit of Halberdiers.



No problem. I actually think that it's an interesting choice for a unit. Personally I don't like the 'identikit' look, hence why I'm not that great a fan of the HE Swordmaster or Phoenix Guard units, as they're just the same figure repeated, and repeated, and repeated...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 13, 2009, 10:35:38 AM
Quote
Personally I don't like the 'identikit' look, hence why I'm not that great a fan of the HE Swordmaster or Phoenix Guard units, as they're just the same figure repeated, and repeated, and repeated...

I'm not sure I will either, so far I've gone to great lengths to get variety in my units (clipping my crossbowmen from their strips just to mix them up for example) but when I saw that I had managed to acquire 8 of this figure in an ebay accident (I thought they were 'normal' knights) I thought I'd give it a go. If nothing else they'll look suitably different from the other units. watch this space and we'll see how it turns out.

Oh, and as for mold making. That sounds like it might be more work than just making the walls and unless I put them up for sale probably more expensive too (and while I like them I don't think they're quite good enough for that). I think I see a few evenings of cutting up bricks ahead of me!
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 13, 2009, 11:38:47 AM
As an aside I finally managed to fit in a little bit of painting yesterday. Literally ten minutes worth (had to set the countdown timer on my phone) whilst the youngest was having her nap, with the eldest at nursery all day. And then after I'd finished the washing up, etc... at 10:15, I did about 45 minutes of painting much to my wife's annoyance. I'm sure that one of these days she will figure out that the time that I can start winding down in the evening is directly in proportion to the time I will finally come to bed...

So, I've now painted the leather straps and saddle on the horse harness on that character stand. If I can get any more done tonight, then I may even finish the thing....

But, with all this talk of the Winter Warmer, and the fact that it is actually before the Historical Wargames Campaign Weekend, I might, just might switch my painting focus from my WMA army to finishing my WM Empire army off for the WW composition rules. This will likely just involve finishing off two units of crossbows, my mortars and maybe one or two Halberdier units, plus of course retouching existing battle damage, applying static grass and maybe even varnish...


So, what are people's thoughts on this? If I do switch I want to ensure that I've finished at least one of my Legion units and this character first though. And then of course assuming that I manage to finish things off before Xmas, or at least before the onset of spring, I will of course switch back to the Romans...

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 13, 2009, 01:01:10 PM
I'd switch, there's nothing like a tournament deadline to get painting done (I'm hoping to have my army finished in time for the WW myself).

And as for:
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I'm sure that one of these days she will figure out that the time that I can start winding down in the evening is directly in proportion to the time I will finally come to bed...
That's true in my house too but I{'m not so sure it'll ever be figured out!
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 13, 2009, 02:46:11 PM
As always great work here.
I think the high elf alt models are far superior to the standard (faulty) spearman.
If I could get enough I would redo my entire High Elf army with them.

Loving all the empire work going on.

I did think about doing a wooden howdah, but then thought, why not a metal one.
This wekk RL painting is impinging on my painting time so probably my last offering for this week;
One unit of savage orc boar boyz.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7727.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7728.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7729.jpg)

The other five standard ones are undercoated and the armour painted, so I may get some more done.
Anyway off to sand some skirting boards :)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 13, 2009, 04:37:02 PM

I think the high elf alt models are far superior to the standard (faulty) spearman.
If I could get enough I would redo my entire High Elf army with them.

Well certainly as far as durability is concerned, they are miles ahead of the released HE Spearmen. However, I have seen Stephan Hess' HE Spearmen 'in the flesh' so to speak (he mounted them on clear plastic bases), and they are pre-release production samples. They all have ribbons, etc... wound around the spear-tips and the top of the spear shafts, and needless to say they are far more durable than that models that somehow made it to production instead. Something tells me there was a bit of a cock-up with that....


This wekk RL painting is impinging on my painting time so probably my last offering for this week;
One unit of savage orc boar boyz.


Nice, were they an alternative unit? I remember the Spider Riders, but for some reason memory of Savage Orcs just aren't there...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 13, 2009, 06:40:37 PM
hy i post some of my initiated army , 3 pieces was painted some years ago (giant , 1 lobber , wyvern) some
was based and started to paint (the stand with all goblin green flock) and the other i just started to flock and basing 2 days ago , in a couple of days i've ended the started units (2 gobbos , 2 wolfrider , 2 orc) and near finished 2 unit of chariot , now i put some photos.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3415/imgp0585.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5459/imgp0586.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8643/imgp0587.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6025/imgp0588.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5967/imgp0589.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7760/imgp0590.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1991/imgp0591.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6804/imgp0592.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/167/imgp0593j.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7950/imgp0594.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1625/imgp0595.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2543/imgp0596.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9564/imgp0597.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8234/imgp0598.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6277/imgp0599.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5586/imgp0600.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7783/imgp0601.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6310/imgp0602.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9237/imgp0603.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6254/imgp0604.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/6517/imgp0605.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8599/imgp0606.jpg
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 13, 2009, 07:41:44 PM
hy i post some of my initiated army , 3 pieces was painted some years ago (giant , 1 lobber , wyvern) some
was based and started to paint (the stand with all goblin green flock) and the other i just started to flock and basing 2 days ago , in a couple of days i've ended the started units (2 gobbos , 2 wolfrider , 2 orc) and near finished 2 unit of chariot , now i put some photos.

Can you embed the images please? You just need to use the (img) (/img) tag either side of the image .url, replacing the ( and ) with [ and ]
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 13, 2009, 08:15:04 PM
ehm , i'm not good with forum photography i'haven't understand what i've to change , did you see the photo if click on the link? howhever here other photo

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1365/imgp0607.jpg
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2120/imgp0608.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2012/imgp0609.jpg
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 13, 2009, 08:17:56 PM
I saw the pictures by clicking the links, its just that clicking through is a pain in the backside, so we decided to include the pictures in our posts rather than put links to them, like so:
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1365/imgp0607.jpg)



Actually, that picture is too big anyway. I find that the medium sized ones are about right, or the ones that you get when you click through to the gallery, rather than the larger file sizes that might be available. Basically it needs to be able to fit on even my little notebook screen without any scroll bars...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 13, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
The postman brought me another WM gift parcel today containing the last two knight I needed for my Inner Circle knights (thanks Stomm). Stomm's comment that they would look too samey struck a cord so I've spent the last hour ignoring my halberdiers (poor unloved grunts) and trying my hand at some minor green stuff work. Here's the result (they look samey but in a slightly different way):

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/Levinas/DSC03630.jpg)

I'll give the GS a couple of days to harden and then revisit these with a knife to sharpen all the edges up a bit. Hopefully a lick of paint will conceal the messier bits. If anyone has any ideas for how to convert the riders a little I'd be happy to hear them.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 13, 2009, 09:42:18 PM
uhm any solution for a newbye on photos?  ;D
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 13, 2009, 10:15:45 PM
Hi lilith. Stomm's got it right, you simplyu need to add the img tags around the links you've already got. If you are using photobucket you can resize pics there with the edit pictures button and they'll show up at a more browser friendly size. Smaller pics also give a fairer sense of the paint job too. Have a go and see if it works, you can always modify your posts so don't worry if you mess up. Once you've got it it's really easy. Oh, and photobucket even has the img coded link ready prepared in the 'share' section.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 13, 2009, 10:25:09 PM
pw: These unit will be impresive when painted. Glad to see you finally get all the pieces! Inner circle? has it some background that we should know?

uhm any solution for a newbye on photos?  ;D

lilith, I do not have imageshack but have photobucket. I think the two programs will let you make similiar options.

In photobucket, when you put the cursor on a image a display appears. The options are " email" "direct link" " HTML code" "IMG code". The one you are looking for is IMG code. just make a copy paste in the message text and the pic appear. Before post you can always type crl+p to see a preview of your message.

Other option is use the insert image botton (second form left two right, second row) and copy the html code inside, as stomm suggested.

Other option is use the attach option of the additional options if your image is less of 500Kb

I have notice that the width of the pic should be 20cm to fit the box without the annoying slide bar in the bottom. 15cm of width also looks pretty good.

In my humble opinion (maybe the opinion of the moderator of this subforum will count more than mine) you could open a thread in these subforum to post your old pics. The people should comment the main month thread to put the progress of the week and comment, ask, look for suggestions, and so on... All of these is explain somewhere in this subforum.

hope I could explain myself
So if you are joining us in the tale, let my welcome you
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 13, 2009, 10:40:13 PM
Azrael: Those svage orcs looks fantastic! I have never seen the figures. Glad to see them.

pw: I like the metallic rusty aspect of the helblaster! I always imagine it in bronze and brass (as I have painted mine), but I have to see steal looks great
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 14, 2009, 12:02:54 AM
i try this way then

(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3415/imgp0585.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 14, 2009, 12:09:45 AM
(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3415/imgp0585.jpg)


Just quote me, and you'll see the code that you need to achieve the above.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 14, 2009, 12:12:13 AM
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3675/imgp0586z.jpg)

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1625/imgp0595.jpg)
(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8643/imgp0587.jpg)
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6725/imgp0588d.jpg)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5967/imgp0589.jpg)
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7386/imgp0590y.jpg)
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1991/imgp0591.jpg)
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3122/imgp0592j.jpg)
(http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8844/imgp0593.jpg)
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7950/imgp0594.jpg)


lol finally i beat my newbienes , ok now i try to post other photos
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 14, 2009, 12:16:28 AM
The postman brought me another WM gift parcel today containing the last two knight I needed for my Inner Circle knights (thanks Stomm). Stomm's comment that they would look too samey struck a cord so I've spent the last hour ignoring my halberdiers (poor unloved grunts) and trying my hand at some minor green stuff work. Here's the result (they look samey but in a slightly different way):

Well I'm glad they got to you so soon, I only popped them in the post yesterday morning. Well actually my youngest daughter popped them into the postbox itself, and she was a lot better in the que than her sister, who has a tendency to roam around trying to nick packets of sweets or nuts from the shelves...

I'll give the GS a couple of days to harden and then revisit these with a knife to sharpen all the edges up a bit. Hopefully a lick of paint will conceal the messier bits. If anyone has any ideas for how to convert the riders a little I'd be happy to hear them.

Some basic scultping tips. Put the figures under a lamp for five minutes to cure them, it literally bakes it hard. You then need to leave it for a further five minutes to cool down and fully harden.

To get a clean line, use a scalpel when sculpting, and use vaseline to coat your tools. Some people swear by spit, I've tried both, and water, and vasaline is definately the best in my opinion. It stops the green stuff from sticking and making a gloopy mess. Just remember to wash it off before you add more, or undercoat, etc...


As for how to convert the riders? Well maybe add a ribbon or two, change the feathers maybe. You don't want to go too far, otherwise you'll just be replicating the standard knights and then the whole point of using these guys will have been lost...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 14, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2543/imgp0596.jpg)
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9564/imgp0597.jpg)
(http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8234/imgp0598.jpg)
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7628/imgp0599n.jpg)
(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5263/imgp0600w.jpg)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7783/imgp0601.jpg)
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6310/imgp0602.jpg)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9237/imgp0603.jpg)
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7546/imgp0604n.jpg)
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6517/imgp0605.jpg)
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9581/imgp0606u.jpg)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1365/imgp0607.jpg)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2120/imgp0608.jpg)
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2012/imgp0609.jpg)

uff the giant and lobber are too flashy , maybe better do another picture later.
The giant , lobber and wyvern are from 3 or 4 years ago the rest is started 3 days ago (the green flock orc , wolf riders and gobbo was based same time giant , but finished to paint yesterday)

the chariot are now finished but the photo are from this afternoon maybe tomorrow i post them finished.

Pls some comments , with all the problem this photo give me some consideration is needed :)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 14, 2009, 12:52:07 AM
You have a pretty army!

I particulary like the goblins wolf riders. And also the goblin shaman.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 14, 2009, 07:38:03 AM
thanks , today i try to fihish a pair of troll unit and a boar boyz
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 14, 2009, 08:40:47 AM
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Inner circle? has it some background that we should know?
In Warhammer Inner Circle Knights are the elite knights so this unit will probably be used with a magic weapon to represent that. I'm also hoping to hit on a paint scheme that will make them stand out a little. I'll have to look through the Warhammer Empire army book to see if I can get any inspiration. At the moment I'm thinking of giving them more gold than the other units and maybe painting the barding in red but I'm concerned that that might look a bit silly. I'll get a spare knight sprayed up and have a go at colour schemes soon.

@lilith: That looks like an impressive army and now that they're smaller it's harder to find fault. I'd perhaps tidy up the base edges on a couple of them. Remembering the larger pics some looked a little grainy from what I assume was drybrushing but now that they're not blown up to huge sizes that isn't obvious at all. I guess if I were drybrushing stuff I might go for a thin ink glaze to smooth things out but that might well be taking things too far! With so much to show you could start up your own 'Gallery' style thread in this forum for the army so far. And please do keep showing stuff in the monthly thread as things get painted.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 14, 2009, 10:04:44 AM
goblin have a ink wash passage (the light don't help uff) and also the character , and chariot (today i post the final photo of them).

here some troll and the finished chariot

(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1238/imgp0618.jpg)
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5593/imgp0613.jpg)
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/177/imgp0614.jpg)
(http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/4561/imgp0615q.jpg)
(http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/1673/imgp0616c.jpg)
(http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/1765/imgp0617.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 14, 2009, 09:02:59 PM
pw: thanks I did not know about the existence of inner circle. I like the idea of make a specific unit
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 14, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
and here finished the boar boyz and another unit of orc

(http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/6594/imgp0619.jpg)
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2543/imgp0620.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3393/imgp0621j.jpg)
(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3083/imgp0622.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 15, 2009, 11:24:57 AM
They look fantastic, I'm wishing once again I'd not sold my orc army  :'( . If you're looking for suggestions for improvement I'd say that you might want to work on the basing a little (the strips are still evident and there's flock on the edges) but to be honest these look spot on to me and I'm having to think hard to find something to say!

Oh, and I guess I'd like to see better pictures. I'd make them ever so slightly larger, less blur (you might try a tripod and your camera's timer or move the camera back a little and crop the excess background), a plain background, and, if you're not doing it yet, you should try the macro setting on your camera if it has one (the flower symbol on most).
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 15, 2009, 11:35:05 AM
I am enjoying seeing another O&G army.
Helps to motivate me  ;D
I might speed up a bit now.
The tips about background will help.
I use a couple of sheets of plain white paper as the back ground as it helps to reflect the light about.

I have made a boo boo with my savage orc boar riders :(
When getting out my wolf chariots to build I noticed an undercoated strip of 3 savage boar boyz   :o
So these have now been painted and added to the others, I couldn't figure out why I had based the others as I had!

On the workbench is 5 units of standard boar riders armour done and boars done just needing flesh and details doing.
Followed by 4 units of wolf chariots and a unit of ALT boar chariots.
I am probably going to cheat with these.
All the gobbo crew will be done in the usual black undercoat followed by metalic or grey drybrush.
But the wolves I am spraying with grey primer and then washing badab black followed by picking out a few details.
The chariots are sprayed leather brown then the metal is picked out followed by the harness. Then a devlan mud wash all over so might get all these done by this time next week.
As RL painting is also nearly finished :)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Pugwash on October 16, 2009, 03:20:58 AM
Nice work empire and orc generals.  The guns look very strong!  I also am a big fan of the savage orc boar boyz!  Welcome lilith, what remains unpainted?

Also; nice archers swordmaster!

On to my contribution for the week.  I finally managed to knock out the last of the Araby infantry:
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn114/warmaster888/WM%20Araby/AllArchers.jpg)

Then it was on to the Knights.  A nice, and some might say essental, addition to the army.  I do idly wonder what might have happened if 'knights' in the list were omitted in favour of reducing the desert rider cost by 50% and making them a minimum choice in order to give the list a more 'saracen' flavour... but a nice addition nonetheless.

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn114/warmaster888/WM%20Araby/Knights1.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 16, 2009, 08:44:18 AM
Then it was on to the Knights.  A nice, and some might say essental, addition to the army.  I do idly wonder what might have happened if 'knights' in the list were omitted in favour of reducing the desert rider cost by 50% and making them a minimum choice in order to give the list a more 'saracen' flavour... but a nice addition nonetheless.
With that, and some other (minor) changes you would end up with the SECOND Araby list that the ODT had submitted to GW at the time: Tribal Araby.

That list AND the original Araby City list are still around if anyone is interested......
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Swordmaster on October 16, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
Pugwash, this banner is fantastic!  :o How do you do that?  ???
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Pugwash on October 16, 2009, 10:04:16 AM
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Pugwash, this banner is fantastic!   How do you do that? 

(cough)http://www.littlebigmenstudios.co.uk/catalog/ (http://www.littlebigmenstudios.co.uk/catalog/)(cough)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 16, 2009, 10:54:40 AM
pug you ask me what remain to paint of my army , then for what i remember 1 orc unit, 1 orc lobber, 2 goblin unit, 1 troll unit ,2 chariot characther, 4 or 5 char stand, 1 ogre ,1 black orc (or maybe orc i can't really see the difference)  and when arrive my ebay lot  5 wolf boyz unit ,3 chariot unit , 1 black orc unit , 2 boar boyz unit (i'm tring to buy other 2 unit on ebay )
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 16, 2009, 01:48:19 PM
Some very nice O&G's, and Pugwash your Araby army is getting better and better. I really like those knights, almost tempted to get some myself...

And now for something completely different, I've finally actually finished something from start to finish (well from a black undercoat) as part of this little thing. Here is my Legate, Centurion on horseback or whatever you want to call him. Apologies for the poor photo, I only get time to do anything like this late at night at the moment, so the only daylight comes from my single daylight bulb. I've noticed that the pictures that I took of the various shield designs are by far the best so far, and IIRC I took those during the day whilst I was prepping some other stuff for ebay. It was the only way I could get the wife to look after the kids for a couple of hours, telling her that I'm selling some of my toys :(

So anyway, I'm particularly please with the red cloak. It was painted very quickly (for me), using mechrite red as the base colour, then highlighting with blood red, then washing with Baal Red, then re-highlighting with blood red, and then a final highlight of Blazing Orange and a Baal Red wash over the top of all that. It's created a nice deep red. Not as deep and full as red's I can achieve through more traditional means, but more than good enough for army standard painting, and I might even be tempted to use the technique (possibly with some brown washes between armour plates) for my SH Terminators...


Anyway, here it is. I thought I'd make up for the fact that there's only one model by taking pictures from as many angles as possible ;)


(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2460/4016798524_13a296c03f.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4016032951_18faeff108.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3531/4016030981_2babd93bbb.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2648/4016791586_4419a5c367.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/4016027859_dd5a26416d.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2749/4016781874_c1777fc459.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2701/4016018581_bca1593a11.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2531/4016009125_3608777ab6.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2234/4016008687_b1b60175f0.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 16, 2009, 03:25:53 PM
Stomm: I like a lot the legate, the red colour is great, but wow a lot of work there.

Pugwash: you speed up with your army, good for you!, and the compromise level of painting is not going down, even I say it is improving, those knights looks really really good.

Azrael: Great squiggoth, really nice, and imaginative. After still thinking about the stats (If I had to use it in my homemade games) I would go for the stats of the lizardmen army, but all depends of the size of the battle... who says the size doesn't matter?  ;). Looking forward to see those orc raiders (armour and unarmoured).

lilith: a lot of pics to comment... just nearly a whole army. The paint is very coherent, with drybrushing effect. I think the colours are chosen very well for orc and goblin army. It will be great to see sumarize all your units in a thread.

Angor: How it goes those gallpes cannons?

Swordmaster: It seems an old paint-master has appear in this forum, maybe you could convince him to join us ;)

pw: I like the idea of inner circle unit. Going to golden colours could be a good distinctive, but I do not know how GW illustrations represent them.

M4jumbo: with the artillery very nice done. What is your next unit?

Rolgan: Those harad trolls looks great. Where they 15mm monsters? Which manufacture?

Lex: I am just still anxious for seen how the armypainter  is working... I know that evry one has his time to paint and  is not fair asking for work done, I apologize, but I have real curiosity.
So, the choice of unit for the army is really great. I think I said that in the past, but is not bad repeat it :)

Meister.Peitz: Lot of time without enjoying one of your paintjob. we miss you :)

Jchaos: You should paint more, and write less. I am inflexible with you!  :P  
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 16, 2009, 04:23:56 PM
stomm  fantastic that legate.  Here other orcs but i've yet to master the photography art 2 of the photo really suks  ;D another unit of orc and one of ogre , i think a make a personal thread shortly

(http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7748/imgp0623.jpg)

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2418/imgp0625m.jpg)
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8571/imgp0626f.jpg)

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5753/imgp0624.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 16, 2009, 09:00:21 PM
another unit of goblin with a strange orc with them  :o

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6793/imgp0627.jpg)
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3954/imgp0629m.jpg)
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6200/imgp0630e.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 17, 2009, 07:59:43 AM
Uuuuups.... another hero? I dont have too much time to paint this days :P

Well he is the necromancer or Anubis-set priest or a very malevolous lichie (depends on the taste of the observer :P)

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/Necromancer.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 17, 2009, 09:33:33 AM
i like the necro , especially the red
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: eastern barbarian on October 17, 2009, 01:38:39 PM
sorry, didnt realize I was supposed to put my answers here, now I know.
 As for me being old master-painter- well, I taught swordmaster BASICS ha ha, he is long past these period and I m still kind of stuck there ;) . Saying that at least I can take credit for infecting him with wargames :)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 17, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
Anyone know of a good source for orc/gobbo banners?
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 18, 2009, 10:18:02 AM
Anyone know of a good source for orc/gobbo banners?

That is a dificult question for me... The times that I painted a banner for the greenskins I look a lot of books, but I finally end going to the middle earth motives (red eye, red fortress, so on...)

I try to get inspiration to the banners in the following:
- Tolkien besteary. A book of David Day
- Workshop references of late 80' to mid/end 90' --> you know... white dwarf, 'eavy metal articles, so on...
- Gamebooks of fantasy and scifi (not RPG, I refere to those books you can choose the number of the page to going on reading) particulary the Steve Jackson. They have outstanding illustrations.
- When fantasy, I use to seek a historical army with the same mood, and then try to twist or deform his banner to take it into fantasy. Example: greenskins could be banners of celtic, gauls, mongols, turminids (for all of you that plays total war), kazhar, plain indians...


so, I think I just tell you all my general sources for banners... hope that help, lets see what the rest of peopel says
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 18, 2009, 11:02:37 AM
the simplest is a maw with some long teefth. or a sun with an orc face inside (not simple to freehand , maybe better to find some old warhammer orc codex and copy the banner inside) , for gobbo the yellow moon with face , or wolf with a mountain on the back.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: eastern barbarian on October 18, 2009, 03:29:56 PM
 tink orc glyphs from wh 4-k are quite good as well. I used white lightning on red background for my boar boys.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 18, 2009, 10:50:23 PM
today's work another lobber and another troll unit


(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8306/imgp0668r.jpg)
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1552/imgp0669t.jpg)
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7278/imgp0670x.jpg)
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7522/imgp0671k.jpg)
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2913/imgp0672z.jpg)
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7469/imgp0673.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 19, 2009, 01:16:36 AM
Very nice, specially the river trolls. Did you move the drybrush to washes?

Anyway, How do you texturize the bases?
I like them a lot, and the "long grass" islands over the "muddy" texture goes really well with the army.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 19, 2009, 10:35:20 AM
all the army is washed and then drybrsuhed but my photo skill suck so you didn't notice the wash effect on most of my army  :'(    for tha base i flcoked it then  basecoted black then 2 drybrush of brown and lighter borwn and finally add some grass and muddy effect is a little black ink on them
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 19, 2009, 10:40:33 AM
A suggestion: to balance the colour of the pic you could use photoshop (autobalance or histogram manually) or even the microsoft photo editor that I think it come with windows pack. Then adjust the bright, contrast and gamma value to enhance your paint.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 19, 2009, 11:00:49 AM
Here I show you my second in the tale (third in the army) unit of bowskellies, straight from the SandLands to your monitor screens. A little challange, who knows where is the skelleton without head (skull)?

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/bowskelliesfromthesand-land.jpg)

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/bowskelliesfromthesand-landb.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Carrington on October 19, 2009, 02:34:38 PM
Here I show you my second in the tale (third in the army) unit of bowskellies, straight from the SandLands to your monitor screens. A little challange, who knows where is the skelleton without head (skull)?



Far stand, front row, second from left?

Nothing like the arm's length rule.

A while back I sold about three blisters of Skellie archers to Moscovian -- he wanted the skulls for Necron conversions.

I don't know what became of the remains of the miniatures.

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 19, 2009, 03:07:14 PM
All Right!

But I forgot to put the plural in the question.... because there are two decapitaded archers...

ufff What a good luck to be an undead army, because in other armies having two figures without head due to mould faults were inacceptable... but undead still fighting without head. No one can kill the death :)           

Klaatu barada nikto!! boo its magic
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 19, 2009, 03:50:27 PM
Here is the first part of this weeks installment
5 units of boar riders to go with the one from last week.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7734.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7735.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7736.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7737.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7738.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7739.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7740.jpg)

I will also be hopefully completing my wolf/boar chariots this week.
But to start with here is a goblin hero on a wolf chariot.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7741.jpg)

Thanks for the advice on banners.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: m4jumbo on October 20, 2009, 04:28:56 AM
In catch up mode again..... Week 6 Ostland army muster is the Baron's Guard Halberdier unit.  These are the personal Guard for Baron Von Hellman and as such they wear a different variation of uniform.  To set them appart from the standard Ostland units, the Baron's Guard uniform color is black and red with white highlights. 

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0601.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0602.jpg)

Once I find a good "Bull's Head" decal (hopefully in white) I will add that to the standard.  Anyone know of a source for appropriately sized Bull decals? 

I think I should have done a wash on the red uniforms to give it more depth.  Oh well. 

These are the last of the halberdier units for this 2000 point block, I can't say I'm sick of painting them, but it will be nice to move onto other units.  A unit of Crossbowmen is already in process for this week.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 20, 2009, 10:51:05 AM
More nice painting that makes me feel like I'm lagging behind somewhat. What is it about you Orc painters that makes you so fast? Hopefully I'll finish my second unit of halberds tonight, base them on Thurs and have them posted here by the weekend just in time!

For Bulls head transfers you could try VVV transfers. I've not used them myself but there seem to be some bulls in there: http://www.3vwargames.co.uk/

@jchaos: Yet again I find I'm admiring your style. The one area that I think lets them down a little is the bases - I'd love to see one of your units based up in a way that covered the tabs with fake 'earth' texture and had tidier grass on it. For me it's the basing that really makes almost any scale of miniatures come to life and it seems to be something that WM painters often save time on.

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 20, 2009, 10:58:38 AM
M4jumbo: I can not point you to a specific Bull head decal, but bull head was a very typical symbol use in greek shields between the VII-II centry b.C. (classic greeks and geometric greeks) . I could figure out that there are out there tons of 15mm decays for this period, and some of them should have the bull head.

hope it helps
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 20, 2009, 03:33:36 PM
today's update , and for now if finished i'm waiting some other stuff arrive from ebay
black orc and charchter on chariot

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8986/imgp0674n.jpg)
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8850/imgp0675x.jpg)
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9104/imgp0676b.jpg)
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9030/imgp0677l.jpg)
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/383/imgp0678u.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 20, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
pw is right... what happen with orc mates, they do not sleep at night :D

Great lilith and Azrael, lots of boars everey where!

M4jumbo, I did not say in last post the great look of the black/red uniform. In my opinion an orange/red mix could highlight the red, but these will give to the unit another look, and as it is now match perfect with the dark/mate aspect of your Ostland army.

Have you think about your general/heros. Latly I've been reading empire armybook of 5 edition, and I see Ostland linked to hammerers of the white wolf. Maybe a head swap conversion with a flagellant to an imperial guy... don't know.... lets see... an artillery crew (the guy with the sword pointing) could be a good chance, just an idea.

great work M4jumbo!
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 20, 2009, 05:42:51 PM
I think I should have done a wash on the red uniforms to give it more depth.  Oh well. 

Unless you've varnished them you still can. Looks to me like scab red, or possibly red gore straight over the black undercoat right? Well if you want to keep the dark red look, I'd suggest highlighting with blood red, then a light scab red/chaos black wash over the top. If you're looking for a more 'classic' bright-ish red, then do a fuller highlight with blood red, final highlights with blazing organge and then wash it with the new GW red wash.

I have to say that I really liked the GW foundation paints when they came out, and now that I've bought some of the new washes, well they are bloody good, certainly for WM scale clothing, metal and so on. I'm not too keen on the new flesh wash though, its a bit too light in my view, I like to have much more contrast than that on my faces, especially on WM figures...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 20, 2009, 11:04:30 PM
As I indicated before I am trying a new painting procedure using Armypainter, and decided to prepare the horsearchers, archers and some characters, before giving them all the Armypainter treatment. This stuff below is ready for its "dip", and I wanted to show this stage to allow those interested to compare.

One of the two bear-mounted shamans in the Force

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020347.jpg)

Infantry

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020348.jpg)

General

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020349.jpg)

Cav unit

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020351.jpg)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020350.jpg)

and to show that I did indeed spend time preping several unts, here the entire force of "horsearchers

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss310/Warmuster/P1020352.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 21, 2009, 07:40:24 AM
More great work, I love those guards mjumbo, very nice.
As for orc painters, doesn't matter what the army is I just paint fast  :P
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 21, 2009, 07:49:58 AM
I can paint fast, but it needs to be 2am the night before an event, I need to be drunk, and I need to be in a hotel room with a dark carpet so that the ink and paints I spill won't show up...



the required combination of criteria as not been met for quite a few years...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 21, 2009, 10:10:25 PM
Here is it a unit of funerary swarm, those plague crawling and emerging from the sand that announce the arrival of the undead army

I post our house rules in warmaster discussion, please feel free to coment or give feedback about the rules in these threat and here post about painting, basing and figures

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/funeraryinsects.jpg)

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/funeraryinsects2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 22, 2009, 07:35:57 AM
Love those scarabs, where did you get them from?
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 22, 2009, 09:33:27 AM
I love them too  :)
They are from Reaper miniatures, called Scarab Beetle
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/swarm

Also have some very nice packs of Familiars, with little animals (for 28mm) that in warmaster gets as big animals. I have a couple of ideas to carry on with some of this animals, but they are a source of ideas for mythology or fantasy.
I particulary like a winged cat, I see it quite egyptian but not really for undead theme, so I will wait until I do some Mythological egyptian army. Also have an owl for the mythological greek (Athens) and a little dragon with insect wings that is one of my favourites. Uups I start again out topic!

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 22, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
Just a quick update on my progress before I rush off to get the girl's packed lunch ready and try to get them to nursery on time. Then if I can spend any time painting whilst they're there, obviously I will...

Anyway, I couldn't help myself. I tried to paint my Romans with them all already glued to their bases, but I just can't get to the 2nd rank sheilds, and they are the most important part of the model for Romans and indeed many historical figures IMHO. So for the unit I've been working on, I've clipped the rear rank models from the stand that I've almost finished, and in doing so I doubt that I'll be able to resist painting their toes, sorting out the pilum shafts and so on....

So, in addition to maybe only getting 1/2-1 hours painting time each day, I now have finally succumbed to my own perfectionist tendencies. They're not going to be the best I can do, but they'll be better and therefore slower than I had intended...




As an aside. Those of you who base up their figures after painting them, I guess those that paint the strips seperately. How do you go about basing them? For Warmaster strips I imagine it is fairly simple, glue the sand on with only one strip attached, ensuring that you have a straight line to but the next strip up to. However with historical figures, they're all individual, so I don't think that is really going to be an option. Basically I am just concerned that dry-brushing it after it's all been painted might ruin my paintjob. I normally apply the sand to the bases of my WM figures prior to undercoating you see, and its been a long while since I've painted anything in strips, etc...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 22, 2009, 11:50:10 AM
If it can help, I paint/base my figures following this steps. (next time I will make some pics):

1- attach the single model to a old paint can with blue-takk.
2- undercoat + painting + varnishing
3- Undercoat the base with green
4- Spread withe glue (use by carpenter) all over the base
5- put cyanocrilate glue onto the base of the metal figure and leave it on the base in the correct place
6- when it is done for the 8/10 figures introduce in a cap with the flock/grass and cover all the figures
7- wait 4-5 hours, and shake slightly to remove the non adhered flock

Problem: During the process of leaving the figure on the base, if you correct his position or you have put exceed of cyanocrilate glue could happen: The cyanocrilate spreds onto the white glue and cure very quickly so when you dip the base into the grass/flock it is dry and do not adhere grass.


Solution: when it is dry and solid as a rock, put a little of white glue on the spot and throw some grass on it.

reallity: I am too lazy to do that. when happen dont bother me enough. (in one of arquebusiers from pavia in jchaos proyect happens that in the frontal  extreme left dude)


hope that helps
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 22, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
Well I definately want to add sand, paint it brown and so on before adding any static grass. It gives the best effect IMHO. I am just wondering if there are any tricks to doing so after you've painted the figures without getting the base colours all over your figures short of being very, very careful with your brush, and of course using a very small brush, most likely a cut down old GW Fine Detail Brush...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 22, 2009, 12:20:48 PM
Well I definately want to add sand, paint it brown and so on before adding any static grass. It gives the best effect IMHO. I am just wondering if there are any tricks to doing so after you've painted the figures without getting the base colours all over your figures short of being very, very careful with your brush, and of course using a very small brush, most likely a cut down old GW Fine Detail Brush...
If you use sand on Elmer's, then dont paint, but soak. You need a bit darker colour, cause the bleed from soaking then stand will tend to create a lighter teint of the actual colour used !
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 22, 2009, 01:03:59 PM
Well I definately want to add sand, paint it brown and so on before adding any static grass. It gives the best effect IMHO. I am just wondering if there are any tricks to doing so after you've painted the figures without getting the base colours all over your figures short of being very, very careful with your brush, and of course using a very small brush, most likely a cut down old GW Fine Detail Brush...
If you use sand on Elmer's, then dont paint, but soak. You need a bit darker colour, cause the bleed from soaking then stand will tend to create a lighter teint of the actual colour used !

Are you talking about not undercoating black, or any colour at all, but instead effectively giving the base a good soaking in say the old brown ink?
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 22, 2009, 01:25:30 PM
Well I definately want to add sand, paint it brown and so on before adding any static grass. It gives the best effect IMHO. I am just wondering if there are any tricks to doing so after you've painted the figures without getting the base colours all over your figures short of being very, very careful with your brush, and of course using a very small brush, most likely a cut down old GW Fine Detail Brush...
If you use sand on Elmer's, then dont paint, but soak. You need a bit darker colour, cause the bleed from soaking then stand will tend to create a lighter teint of the actual colour used !

Are you talking about not undercoating black, or any colour at all, but instead effectively giving the base a good soaking in say the old brown ink?


As you see from the current state of my bases I dont usualy undercaot my groundwoek black. I will use a combination of Elmers and fine-graind (floral) sand to shape the base, and the mixture will soak and spear a diluted paint or ink, giving you a nice (and unevenly) spraed colour to work the rest of the base on
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 22, 2009, 02:44:43 PM
My take on basing is to stick one strip to the rear of the WM base and to use Vallejo grey pumice (basically fine sand and glue) to blend that in around the base and part way in front of it (to roughly where the front stand will sit). I then undercoat black and paint the stand (painting the sand stuff Graveyard earth). I paint the front stand separately (blu-tacked to a Warhammer base) and then when both are painted I fine-tune the sand inbetween with a knife so that the front base sits nicely (Vallejo pumice cuts off quite well). I then finish off the pumice around the front and along the very slight gap in the middle using a brush. Touch up with GY earth. Then it's a wash of Devlan Mud, a drybrush of GY Earth + Bleached bone, and a quick touch up of the edges with GY earth.

Typing that out it strikes me that that's quite a lot of work but it's the easiest way I've found of doing it (the basing of the back unit I copied from Meister-Petz who posted some pics of this on this forum somewhere.

Oh, and where are you Meister-P? I'm missing seeing your superb Skaven and Empire!

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 22, 2009, 02:55:01 PM
pw that is a lot of work... but looking your basing really marks a difference!
Rolgan basing is also excellent, and lilith work also caught my eye. The more imaginative goes for Lex! with the boar corpse between the dwarfs  :D mixing sand, grass and little stones, and so on...

I would really like to make superb basing for my figures,  but by the way I am the only painter in my group so I always have to paint two armies if I want to play, so... time is gold! My regular opponent do the scenic and has read the rulebook more times than myself. Anyway I love painting and this is far for being complaint or an excuse

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Swordmaster on October 22, 2009, 03:18:28 PM
Greetings!

Apologies for late update this week. I have just finished my second unit of Phoenix Guard. I am painting another regiment of archers now. So by the end of this week I should have my 4 infantry/ 4 archers part of the army completed.

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a22/Swordmaster_pl/PG2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 22, 2009, 03:21:43 PM
Swordmaster, the banner is awesome!!
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 22, 2009, 05:41:26 PM
After the quotes earlirt of swift painting I have been struck down with gastric flu :(
So I have only managed to get my boar chariots done (the wolf ones are waiting for crews).
Might get them done this week maybe not.
After those all that is left is 6 units of wm goblins, 3 units of black orcs, 4 units of orc warriors and 2 units of savage orcs so should be done by Christmas :)

Enough waffle here are the orc boar chariots (House rules to be used).

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7742.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7743.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7744.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 24, 2009, 02:36:46 PM
It's good to see everyone's getting so far along. My own efforts are slower then I'd hoped but finally here's this week's submission, a unit of halberdiers:

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/Levinas/DSC03672.jpg)

Now I'm starting a unit of Knights and a wizard. I'd guess next week it'll be the wizard that I finish but I'll try to get the knights done first.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: lilith on October 24, 2009, 05:24:15 PM
2 days ago arrived one of my ebay lot and here the result 

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8564/imgp0679m.jpg)
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5093/imgp0680.jpg)
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8093/imgp0681.jpg)
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2484/imgp0682.jpg)
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6179/imgp0683d.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: m4jumbo on October 25, 2009, 01:49:26 AM
Ostland Week 7, reinforcements continue to trickle in one unit at a time.   Something new this week, a unit of crossbowmen is added to the army.  I don't have anything based up for next week so I'm not sure yet what the next unit will be.  Probably more crossbowmen.

Front view
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWk0701.jpg)

Side view
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/M4jumbo/General/Warmaster%20SGPL/SPLWK0702.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Carrington on October 25, 2009, 03:05:21 AM
Very nice unit... I love the basing job particularly.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 25, 2009, 08:56:04 PM
Managed to get my chariots in for this weeks entry.
Just the infantry left to prep and paint, but I have 8 units of siege equipment needing my attention first.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7747.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7749.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7751.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7752.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7753.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7754.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7756.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7757.jpg)
Altogether now!
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/DSCN7760.jpg)

Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: m4jumbo on October 26, 2009, 01:10:19 AM
azreal71, wow, still in awe of how fast you get units done.   The chariots look good.  I didn't comment earlier but your boarboyz and boar chariots all look cool too.  I like the banners on the boarboyz.  Love the Savage boarboyz, wish I had picked some up when available.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 26, 2009, 10:07:42 AM
Another week of great contributions. The banner of phoenike guard made by swordmaster is astonish, Azrael keep on its great number of units. I like a lot the orc boar-chariot unit!

also lilith had made a orc cavalry, you have improved the pics a lot!

For the imperial dudes, I like the Talabheim red/white colour finish.... I should paint a brigade or half brigade from Talabheim... but I am also strongly considering paint it from Averland (yellow/black).
M4jumbo has made great Xbowmens. I like that some of them are not harliquem painted, they are painted the sleeves black and the body white, I like that.
 
Hi, here is my conribution of the .... week,  ::) I do not know which week are, 7? 8?
Anyway, here is another unit  ;D

It is the Regiment of the Dragon Serpent. The skelletons who are in this regiment had the honour of were killed by the black Undead Dragon itself!!

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Skeletons%20WM/skeletoninfantry2wingedserpentregim.jpg)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 30, 2009, 04:59:10 PM
This weeks efforts
2 units of forest goblins and 4 night goblins along with 4 mangonels and 4 scorpions.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/IMG_2852.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/IMG_2854.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/IMG_2863.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/IMG_2864.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/mickmarriott/warmaster/Orc%20and%20Goblin/IMG_2866.jpg)

Just prepping the remaining 11 units so should be done in about 3 weeks.
Now off to order my albion chariots to pick up at fiasco on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 31, 2009, 01:34:58 PM
Azrael you get a great night goblins there. The robes are very black and a little little drybursh?

Looks great, I search for this look when did my night gobbos but I did not obtain it. Great work

Also the forest goblins are fantastic :)
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: azrael71 on October 31, 2009, 03:06:02 PM
Thanks for the kind words but...
I tried to spray them black drybrush light grey then ink wash back to black.
But this resulted in just plain black cloacks with no detail :(
Anyhow I varnished them anyway (in a rush you know ;)) and due to the slightly humid conditions the dullcote misted ever so slightly so that is the effect you see :)
Just redone them toady and it has minimised the misting perfectly whilst keeping the highlights.
So a bit of a lucky result :)

Seems a bit quiet around here has everyone stopped painting ???

Whilst on the subject are we having a new tale in the new year?
This has helped keep me motivated to paint what would have been a killer to do otherwise.

Options for the next tale are albion or chaos dwarf.
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Lex on October 31, 2009, 03:15:12 PM
Seems a bit quiet around here has everyone stopped painting ???

No, still painting (well actualy modeling at the moment). I had planned to start using Armypainter today, but the missus had me mule-ing around town carrying her shoppingbags........  I must also honnestly confess that I am hesitant to use armypainter and "ruin" what I have donw already, but I guess I might bite that bullet tomorrow

Quote
Whilst on the subject are we having a new tale in the new year?
This has helped keep me motivated to paint what would have been a killer to do otherwise.

Options for the next tale are albion or chaos dwarf.

Finishing this one around early December and allowing all to get new toys in their stockings to start a new round in January ......
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: jchaos79 on October 31, 2009, 09:17:07 PM
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Seems a bit quiet around here has everyone stopped painting

Sorry mates, but I am in hard times at work. So this is not lack of interest in the Tale. I will try to keep advancing in the undead army but from now to january I do not promise to keep the 1 unit per week :-\

So I think my army will not be completed in december.... but I got the intention of continue the tale in 2010 finishing undeads and starting... maybe Almohade/"almoravid" army or El Cid /"christian kingdom" army. Hope this Xmas Santa brings those armies  ;)

Almoravid army could be the shorcut to get the fantasy araby army and also I am toying with the idea of build up a kislev army with alternative figures (russ / novgorod / tartar and so on...).

So that is my situation
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: Stomm on October 31, 2009, 09:50:23 PM
Well I'm slowly plodding away with my 1/2-2 hours of painting each night, usually with the 2 hour sessions resulting in a stern telling off from the wife for coming to bed and 12-1am... :-[ Once I start painting, I tend to lose track of time until I can no longer focus on what I'm trying to paint...


Anyway, so far I've finished the command stand and almost finished the 2nd stand of a Legion unit. Once it's finished I'll post the pictures and then I think I'll re-focus on trying to finish the WM Pegasus at long last so it can make its way home to Canada, and then I think I will be trying to paint up a SH set to sell, ideally in time for Xmas. Then in the New Year I will again refocus onto getting my WMF Empire army polished off for the Winter Warmer, before again going back to my WMA EIR army to get as much finished for the Spring Campaign weekend as I can. This should be a bit easier then, as I'll have the girls in nursery for the full day for at least two days a week, so in-between my chores, job applications and the like (got to keep my mind active somehow), I should get a little more time for painting than I currently do...


Hmm, long paragraph. Basically this exercise has proven to be very useful for me in keeping me plodding away. Otherwise I do tend to flit about and get far too easily distracted by the TV or computer...
Title: Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters [October]
Post by: pw on October 31, 2009, 10:15:05 PM
I'm painting right now (or I was about 2 mins ago and will be in about 2 mins)! Real life is getting in the way of painting as (somewhat ironically) is playing with my toys and slowing me down more than I'd hoped. If it wasn't for this thread I'd probably have stopped. I reckon I'll have something new to show next week so it's my first week in which I've slipped behind schedule  >:(. Hopefully I'll get back on track.