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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Discussion => Topic started by: CPBelt on November 17, 2014, 01:51:09 AM
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This may sound like a dumb question, but does anyone know why Warmaster orcs do not have archer units but WHFB has had them since at least 3rd edition? (Don't ask me why it has taken me this long to realize this! :o)
Does anyone "unofficially" use archer units in their WM armies?
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I don't know why, but I plan to build some :) There's a company that makes orc archers, but I don't like their look. Fortunately, they're thinner than 'proper' orcs, so I've bought some and they'll act as a base to sculpt on.
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Orcs have rock lobbers, all their goblins get short range missile attacks, as do their wolf riders.
They can have 2 magicians per 1,000 points which cause anarchy with Gerroff and Gotcha! spells at minimal points cost.
Orcs do not have a shortage of ranged attack options. =-P
If Orcs suddenly get to have archers then my Chaos should be allowed to have Hellcannons!
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In my opinion it has to do more with the overall developtment of the warmaster lists than a simple translocation of WHFB to WM.
Making a "whatever" warmaster list is very simple, but making a balance and reliable list for WM is not easy at all. So this type of decision had to be made.
But if your question is: why drop archers? I do not know, maybe they have enough entries, or the use of goblins and wolf raiders with 15cm range weapons (as harash and skirmish army) could be annuled by proper archers.
Maybe bow is not a cultural weapon of the green people, so the abstraction of the army is going to close combat more than big units of disciplinated archers.
In warmaster you could not think as warriors, you have to think in military units. Can you imagine 300 orcs with bows waiting for a signal of the oficier to shoot. Can you imagine 300 orcs waiting until the enemy enter in the zone where the arrows could harm them. Remeber the use of bow as military unit is parabolic shoot not tense shoot, so the experience of the officier of the unit is important to measure the distance .
Does it means that orcs cannot use bows? I don¡t think so, I could imagine two orcs with bows and poisoned arrows ambushing a Empire pistoliers while passing a bridge. Empire pistolier is carrying an important message to be given to elector count,. But This situations is about other game...
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I play Orks.
Whilst I do not intend to offend I find I'm laughing at the idea of Goblins or Orks holding their fire until they can see the whites of their eyes!
The discipline required to make the English a country of archers included compulsory training on Sundays, all other games were banned.
I like my ork army with its limitations and don't approve of the goblins firing sticks at the enemy, the Orkish thing to do is get in close and personal. Feel you sword cleave bone and flesh and breathe in the fear of the pink weaklings.
Seriously though if every army had the same thing, where is the flavour?
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Copplestone castings have beautiful 10mm Orc archers. As for Warmaster I'd assume they had to pick some 'core' units for each army to keep it manageable. Dwarfs didn't get miners and Empire didn't get Swordsmen e.g.
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Seriously though if every army had the same thing, where is the flavour?
I agree, although many units in Warmaster have identical equivalents in other lists. The differences come from the Ld of the race and what's around to support them.
Although I plan to make Orc Arrer Boyz, if they hit the field they'll count as regular orcs (Goblins seems too shameful, despite the shooting attack). It's just nice to have variety in looks (and I am mad and want to recreate my entire Fantasy army in Warmaster scale).
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Make an Orc only list.
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Make an Orc only list.
What he says !! Alternatively, run the O&G as a proxy-Bret army.....
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Make an Orc only list.
What he says !! Alternatively, run the O&G as a proxy-Bret army.....
That Idea is just great! You can even use savage orc boar boys as grail knight!
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Make an Orc only list.
What he says !! Alternatively, run the O&G as a proxy-Bret army.....
That Idea is just great! You can even use savage orc boar boys as grail knight!
Yup.. that is the idea....
Gobs --> peasants
and Orcs on Wyvern can pretend to be pegariders
And a nice Idol of Mork or Gork as reliquary
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8)
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I prefer to proxy them as Albion. Swamp Orcs for the win :)
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This is fantasy. ANYTHING can happen (as long as your opponent is happy).
Dave
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What he says !! Alternatively, run the O&G as a proxy-Bret army.....
That Idea is just great! You can even use savage orc boar boys as grail knight!
Yup.. that is the idea....
Gobs --> peasants
and Orcs on Wyvern can pretend to be pegariders
And a nice Idol of Mork or Gork as reliquary
Everything sounded great up to the savage Orc Boar riders, cause, you know, I don't have any savage Orc boar riders.