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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Discussion => Topic started by: Geep on August 22, 2014, 04:19:20 PM
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Hi everyone,
I've begun making a Warmaster mod for the online gaming platform Vassal. Some of you may know of Vassal from the rather decent Vassal 40k mod. To give a brief overview- it allows players around the world to play all sorts of games online, using simple sprites and functions powered by Java. It is NOT a self contained game- you do need to know the rules- but it will hopefully let those of us stuck far from any opponents to get the occasional game in.
I'm new to making Vassal mods, and programming in general, so this may be a slow process and the first release may be rather raw, but hopefully something good can come of it.
The best news is- you can help!
While I'm sorting out all of the basic mod building the finished product will need sprites to represent the game pieces. Lots and lots of sprites.
An example of the sprites from Vassal 40k is:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/image_png.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/image_png.png.html)
I'm trying to work with a scale of 15 pixels per cm. This may be too much- I really don't know yet. Either way, the current examples of bases are like so:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/GreenBase30x60.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/GreenBase30x60.png.html)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/GreenBase30x60_Cavalry.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/GreenBase30x60_Cavalry.png.html)
I would appreciate any help in trying to populate these bases with little soldiers!
I've worked out rough guides for the size of the models. It doesn't matter if models extend past these lines (or the base), but the ranks will look neatest if they follow these guides (they've been arranged so there's as equal a distance as possible to the side and rear if multiple stands are placed together).
First up- 2x7. This is the usual troop number for small troops, like goblins. It would probably also suit Skaven well.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/GreenBase30x60_2x7.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/GreenBase30x60_2x7.png.html)
Next up is 2x6. This is the usual number for basic troops, like Orcs, High Elves and Empire infantry.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/GreenBase30x60_2x6.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/GreenBase30x60_2x6.png.html)
Then there's 2x5. This is for the big infantry like Black Orcs, or for scouts/skirmishers (like Empire Militia)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/GreenBase30x60_2x5.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/GreenBase30x60_2x5.png.html)
Lastly for now is the cavalry
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/GreenBase30x60_Cavalry_2x2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/GreenBase30x60_Cavalry_2x2.png.html)
A few extra notes:
There are free programs which are pretty good for making sprites. I'm using GIMP 2.0, which takes some getting used to but has many very useful features.
PLEASE KEEP ALL IMAGES AS PNG FILES. These are simply the best files to work with and give the neatest finish, plus they retain layers.
Please don't bother trying to decorate the bases. The base is just a guide at this stage, and the actual base will be added within the Vassal program itself.
Finally- Don't worry if you doubt your own artistic skill. I will probably come back and try to tackle some of these myself, but it would take ages for me to get through them all, and in the meantime anything is better than nothing! (I will be making some 'generic' markers with nothing but symbols, but something that actually looks vaguely like troops would be much better).
As added incentive, anyone who helps out can get their name in the module's information area ;D
Also, if anyone has any experience with programming for Vassal or Java there are a few things I'd really appreciate help with on that front too.
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No experience with designing anything for Vassal (played a few games on it, though, good platform!) reckon any of these would be helpful?
http://ordinarygaming.blogspot.com.au/p/warmaster-counters.html
If you wrote the author (mind you, the page is 12 years old....but the last update was July 4, 2014 so they'd still be running I guess) and shared your project idea with him he may still have the images he used somewhere (as for many units the text flows over onto the unit image)
There are several other WM and WMA top down images of units available online, do some research and contact the authors - they might even be Vassal players themselves and willing to share credit with you to build the module.
Check out Vassal Wargamers on StalkBook and join a continental group - you may find someone happy to show you the ropes or even set up the base structure for you.
Good luck - if/when this eventuates you've a gaming partner in me, even if it's to test the system out for flaws/bugs etc...
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The problem with using other images is that the scale will probably be out, and trying to shrink it to this few pixels is likely to just cause trouble.
I've finished a few generic counters- any army could use them for any unit. I've so far only done basic infantry.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/v_WarmasterMap.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/v_WarmasterMap.png.html)
The counters can have the colours of their bases changed, and also have a range of simple coloured flags added (top right of the infantry stand). Stands which have moved have a 'move counter' added to their bottom right corner. I'm making the command stands round, and they have an 'order counter' that can be turned on/off to show if that stand has given orders that turn or not (The movement counter is automated, this one isn't).
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/v_WarmasterMap2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/v_WarmasterMap2.png.html)
All stands also have a semi-transparent 'Initiative Range' field that can be put up, and all character stands have 20, 40, 60, 80 and 100cm rings that can be added for easy measuring of command range (if you have a few up at once they get less transparent, as you can see here).
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/v_WarmasterMap3.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/v_WarmasterMap3.png.html)
I'd still really like to have proper counters with soldiers if anyone wants to help, but these will suffice for early testing.
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nice work! keep it comming
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Thanks
I've had a few false starts, but now the markers are cruising around the board, spinning to their heart's content. I have 2 main troubles right now- 1) the mouse-over close up magnifies everything, including the command ranges, which just looks messy and 2) I need to get the grouping command and group rotator working from the Fighting Chaos fantasy mod.
If anyone has any Java experience and feels like helping out the files I'm working on can be found here:
http://fightingchaos.com/vassal/battle/index.html (http://fightingchaos.com/vassal/battle/index.html)
As you can see though it's a bit old, and I have no idea how to adapt it into my mod.
There's also a conundrum I'm debating- I can make it so that the basic common unit configurations are very easy options (press a key to add/remove stand to the left of the command stand, etc.), but I then can't think of a way to add flags to those extra stands, or change their base colours, so the overall look would be very messy.
Whether I choose to go with this option probably depends on whether I can get the grouping command to work.
Since no one is keen on the image making, can I get help in other ways?
Could I get a few photos of models (preferably Warhammer scale, but Warmaster close ups are good too) from directly above?
If anyone has something like a grass gaming mat can I also get a photo of that from above?
These will just be guides for when I get around to improving the markers.
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I don't usually like double posting, but I guess this thread is a bit of a project log.
Making images is much easier and more interesting than trying to work out coding (have we had any handy people with Java coding experience suddenly appear and want to help?).
For that reason I've had a go at making some Empire Halberdiers:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/HalberdierTest.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/HalberdierTest.png.html)
Larger image (the game has a zoom, plus magnifying mouse-over option)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/HalberdierTest2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/HalberdierTest2.png.html)
The left two are a basic human image with no real detail (right hand holds a halberd, left a shield- you do have to use your imagination looking from above when working with so few pixels). I figure I can copy and paste the human shape for many things, then add details.
The middle figures have a few extra details- one has gained a hat, the other has some hair and has lost his shield (repositioning both hands around the halberd, which is now angled). Images like these can easily be copied to make variety among the halberdiers.
The last two are completed Talabeclanders. They're the same as the middle two, except their uniforms have gained colour and the left one has gained a feather for his hat (imagination required).
Overall I'm pretty happy with this look. 10x10 pixels isn't much to work with, but I think it should look acceptable en masse.
I could expand the size of everything, even doubling the board size (so doubled stand size), but I worry that going too big will cause memory problems (there's going to be a lot of layers involved in a game like this).
Any opinions? Anyone want to have a go modifying the above to make their own soldiers?
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Things are ongoing, but I'm being slowed by glitches and minor problems. Fortunately the people over at the Vassal forum are very friendly, even if I don't understand all of what they say :P
Anyway, here's some colourful updates:
I've made counters for; light cavalry (with nothing, with spears and with arrows), heavy cavalry (with nothing, with spears and with lances, and chariots (the two designs may not vary enough, but I don't think that'll really matter. Also, there's the silhouette of a horsehead behind the wheel, though you can't really see it). There's also a General, combat hero and wizard.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/CavCharComm.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/CavCharComm.png.html)
I've also made markers for monsters, flyers and machines, all of which can have bases horizontal or vertical.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/MonFlyMach.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/MonFlyMach.png.html)
Lastly I've made some artillery counters- The cannon, bolt thrower and stone thrower.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Artillery.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Artillery.png.html)
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What I've completed now is a semi-working version of the game- its just not very easy to use yet.
For those curious, the game works as follows:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/CommandsOnTable.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/CommandsOnTable.png.html)
You can arrange the stands as you want, and add flags or change base colours to help distinguish between your units, and between your units and enemy units. Hopefully this will become less important when more army specific markers are made, but for now the generic ones can work.
The command markers can have a command radius extended, as shown above, to help determine range of units from the order-giver very easily. There's also the initiative range marker each stand has, though it has some problems I need to fix.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/MovementTrails.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/MovementTrails.png.html)
Units can move in any direction, you can jump forward or backwards more easily than sideways. Each unit type (Infantry, Cavalry, Character, etc.) has different movement options. Each can move 1cm forward, backwards, left or right, or jump forwards or backwards at either half their full movement or equal to their full movement, just to make things quicker. The exceptions are Characters and Flyers, where they jump forward less to make overall movement faster (trying to go 76cm when your options are 1/50/100 is a pain). As units move they leave movement trails, with dots to make each movement distance easy to count. You can also drag and drop units if you need to be more precise, but then you have to take care of your own distance measuring.
You can also see the little 'M' counter that appears, letting you know that unit has moved this turn.
Rotating and wheeling are the current sore spots of the game. I've worked out temporary 'work arounds' as you can see below, but this is the main area I'm working on. Unfortunately it requires me to learn Java programming, which is happening slowly.
Currently each stand rotates by itself, so a rotate action causes the above unit to do this:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/RotateTrouble.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/RotateTrouble.png.html)
You then have to manually put all stands back into base-to-base, which can de done easily enough, but is slow.
For pivoting, there is no current easy way to measure pivot distance. What I've done is to make pivot arc measuring templates (this was a fun heap of maths). These are also slow and messy, but at least they work.
Step 1: Place the template so that its corner lines up with the corner you're pivoting around, and the yellow base line of the template is flat against your unit. Then take the Line of Sight thread (your opponent should do this for pesky technical reasons) and stretch it from the pivoting corner to the appropriate centimetre distance on the template (the black/white bands go from 2-12cm, and each dot marks a 1cm outside rotation distance for that base length). In the picture these three stands are pivoting 6cm.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Pivot2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Pivot2.png.html)
Step 2: Take the stand touching the pivot point and choose to pivot around that point (if you right click there are options). Then swivel the stand to line up with the yellow line (the line disappears if you do something else, which is why the opponent should help out by drawing it- as it'll then stay until you're done).
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Pivot3.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Pivot3.png.html)
Step 3: Pivot the other stands and arrange them as appropriate along the line.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Pivot4.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Pivot4.png.html)
It's slow, it's clunky, but for now it works... sort of. There are a few bugs with the pivoting command I'm trying to get sorted.
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One good thing about Vassal is the ease of making shiny buttons to simplify things.
The previous pictures were of the table, where you can see at the top options for: a 'photo' of the current set up, zoom options, an overview window (so you can be focussed on the minutiae of moving but quickly get a whole table overview), the Line of Sight and Range threads (the range thread measures out centimetres, rounding up (it has to round, and up seemed the best choice)).
The 'Group' and 'Ungroup' commands are currently pipedreams. Supposedly other mods have got this to work, so it may be possible, but right now they do nothing.
The 'O' button clears all Order markers (character tokens have the option of having a small Order marker displayed when they can no longer give orders. This button clears them all in one click).
The 'C' button clears confusion markers (just like order markers).
The 'M' button clears Movement markers (the little 'M's which let you know a unit moved that turn).
The non-table portion looks like this:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/ButtonUse.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/ButtonUse.png.html)
Surrender lets you give up control of your army to another player.
Armies opens up the area where you can get the markers and templates to play.
There are two mustering windows- one for each player. These are where you can assemble your armies pre-game and, once I've worked out how, you'll be able to save and load armies with these windows.
Army lists is a player-edited text area. The idea is to disclose your army list with your opponent here. There's a few handy settings, like a 'delayed' list reveal so you can be safe putting things in there without concern your opponent may cheat.
Table opens or closes the window with the playing table.
Then we come to the things I've colour coded (see the text window colours associated with each button)-
Dice- currently you can roll from 1 to 10 D6 and the text screen gives you a list of the numbers and their total. There's also an 'XD6' option, where you can roll whatever dice number you want, but it inly tells you individual rolls (no total).
Command roll simply rolls 2D6, adds them together, and gives you the result. Nice easy ordering.
Blunder roll rolls on the blunder table for you and gives you the resulting text.
Turn counter lets you track the turn number and phase of the game. Handy if you need to save the game and come back to it.
So- that's all for now.
Things I will be working on-
1) Getting pivot to work without the bug, and ideally give a measure of the furthest moving edge.
2) Get grouping to work. This may be a hard one. I do have a 'work around' idea, but it's not neat.
3) Get save/load armies to work
4) Make army specific counters. Any help here would still be appreciated ;)
Almost forgot- one last thing, I've finished a stand of Empire Halberdiers
This is the big version in all its pixelated glory
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Emp_Talabecland_HalberdBig.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Emp_Talabecland_HalberdBig.png.html)
They'll usually appear much smaller, where I think they look fairly decent (they look best at about mid-zoom in the game, which is what I think is appropriate- if too detailed they'll eat too much memory in moving and pivoting)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Emp_Talabecland_Halberd.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Emp_Talabecland_Halberd.png.html)
Edit: The green background makes the halberdiers easier to see, though I've been lazy making the image so the big ones lose some of the semi-opaque details.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Emp_Talabecland_HalberdBig_Green.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Emp_Talabecland_HalberdBig_Green.png.html)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Emp_Talabecland_Halberd_green.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Emp_Talabecland_Halberd_green.png.html)
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In case anyone's wondering what happened with this, I've basically discovered that Vassal's pivot mechanic is completely fubarred and there's not much I can do about it. If I get into java programming I may be able to come up with something, but I that requires a lot of time. It's still possible to use the game as is, it's just another annoyance to go with the use of the pivot templates, etc.
I'll post what I've done so far in case anyone wants to have a poke at it- can I upload files on this site, or do I need to find another?
I've made another 2 stands of Empire Talabeclanders-
Crossbowmen
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Emp_Talabecland_Crossbow.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Emp_Talabecland_Crossbow.png.html)
and
Handgunners
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Emp_Talabecland_Handgunner.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Emp_Talabecland_Handgunner.png.html)
I may get around to making more. Is there any actual interest from anyone in trying to use something like this?
I think I'll try and make a Man O War version- the movement mechanics in that game are much simpler, and probably lend themselves to the current mechanics better.
If anyone wants to let me know the dimensions of Man O War ships and templates that'd be great!
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wow
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Ok, I've made something of a solution to the pivot problem- Units are no longer a selection of individual stands (mostly) but are one command stand (with flag and other markers) with other stands as optional attachments. This means they all move and rotate as one. Moving a brigade will still be a nuisance, but it should be a lot better than it was.
The downside is that I'm not going to make images for every possible stand placement- I've gone with the following:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot18.png)
The halberdiers show the command stand (with flag) and every possible pre-programmed stand placement. This allows for easy lines, columns, diagonals and a few other odd shapes as shown. I've tried to make stand placement as intuitive as possible with hotkeys- essentially, on a standard qwerty keyboard imagine the command stand as being at about the 'S' position. 'Q' then adds or takes away a stand to the front left, 'E' the front right, 'A' direct left, and so on. 'S' adds one behind and 'X' adds the second behind.
The downside to this (other than many, many hours of work for little visual change) is that you can't cycle through base colours anymore. Instead, you now choose base colours when you pick your force from the menu. There's a tab with the 5 current bases to choose from for every model.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot19.png)
I've also made the last few generic markers- the characters with mount options
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot20.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot20.png.html)
I got pretty lazy by this point- it's just the standard image stuck over the monster image, which makes the wizard's hat look odd and not fit. I may revisit it later, but for now it'll do.
I've also made some terrain:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot16.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot16.png.html)
Simple hills, forests, buildings, walls and a lake. The smallest hill is made to stack on the biggest (as shown) and the forests have an option to show the inside (more than 2cm from the edge)- as can be seen on the smaller forest.
I'm pretty happy with the buildings
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot17.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot17.png.html)
There's a small house, here with 2 wall pieces attached, and a Wizard's Tower, which is a pretty faithful recreation of the Forgeworld model.
One day I'd like to add more terrain options, more board colours, make a less hideous monocolour green board, etc. but for now I just wanted to get this program useable.
So- along the lines of useable- here's a quick worked example:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot21.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot21.png.html)
The light cavalry (Pistoliers) want to charge the Halberdiers. Ignoring the initiative option, we can measure the distance between the two (red line) and to the hero to work out the command roll needed. Then we hit the command roll button- it's a 5, so they can charge (I don't know if the numbers will show in these screenshots).
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot22.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot22.png.html)
The charge- an M appears on the Light Cav command stand to show they've moved this turn. If you want to pause a game and need more details there's an option to add notes for the stands as well.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot23.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot23.png.html)
The dice are rolled (see dice button and side panel) and the Light Cav do well- 4 hits to 1- as shown by the handy damage counters (these can scroll from 1-6, and be copied as needed)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot24.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot24.png.html)
The halberdiers are pushed back and a stand is removed, but 1 hit is still outstanding. This is pretty easy to do neatly now.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot25.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot25.png.html)
The light cav follow up and deal another 6 hits, but this time take 4 hits in return.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot26.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot26.png.html)
The halberdiers are removed completely, and the light cav (with 1 lost stand and 2 hits outstanding) can ponder their options.
I should be able to put this up for download soon, though right now it'll only have generic markers.
Before I do that, is there anything really critical people think I need to add?
Pretty much the only thing I haven't shown is the deployment zone markers, and I'm considering making a simple break-point tracker.
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So now I have added a break-point tracker, and in true GW tradition I went with skulls!
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot27b.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot27b.png.html)
Set the red number as your break point, green as your unit count, and if green equals red you break. Currently numbers are limited to 15 (red) and 30 (green), which I think is easily enough as a starter.
So- anything else before I put it out there? Any unit positions which are vital, extra markers, etc?
Do many people have an interest in this at all?
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I am following your progress with high interest.
Have had similar ideas for several years, just not the Vassal-way.
Have a big admiration for the work and effort you have put into this. :)
Keep it up!
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Nowdays I am more focus in my brushes, so I could not leave a proper feedback. Anyway it is a very interesting tool/game that could close together warmaster players from different cities or countries. So go on Geep, it seems you are in the right way!
Keep the good work!
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Ok, thanks for the encouragement. I'd be more than a little unhappy if I finished this only to have no one play me on it :P
I've added some pre-set scenario types (long and short deployment zones marked out for standard games) and I think this is it for now. I can't add the file type in this forum (Mods- if this is under your control can I please be allowed to put a .vmod file here? (481Kb))- So you'll have to go to here to download the mod: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn1pi6prp3ne1cw/Warmaster0.vmod?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn1pi6prp3ne1cw/Warmaster0.vmod?dl=0)
I haven't used Drop Box to share before- please let me know if there are problems.
Vassal itself can be downloaded from http://www.vassalengine.org/download.php (http://www.vassalengine.org/download.php)
I've made this mod using version 3.2.13
There's a little information in the help file, but most of it is already stated more clearly here and if you have any questions about it feel free to ask!
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Technical issues to upload files should be talked with Iain - cybershadow.
I will link this post in other forums to reach more people
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Thanks JChaos
My local time is GMT +10:30 if anyone wants to play me on this. Currently I'm pretty free, so let me know what time suits you.
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That's some good work that you've done here! I've made a first attempt at making sprites, this one's supposed to be a Chaos Knight. What do you think?
(http://i58.tinypic.com/etsie9.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2aj4xzb.jpg)
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Thanks, and thanks heaps for the sprite!
I'll try and get the current army sprites uploaded soon (even though no army is complete yet), but I've been extremely busy recently.
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You're welcome. It's just fun doing things like these, alot easier than painting the real ones :) Here's another one, a Dragon Ogre. Of course, you're free to edit these sprites, if you want to change them in any way.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/16i9q3n.jpg)
(http://i62.tinypic.com/vsks5x.jpg)
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Very nice Dragon Ogre
I'll keep your, and everyone else's (currently you, me and a friend of mine) sprites as-is, and have all available in the program. If there's any overlap of different sprites people can simply choose what they prefer in-program. I'd like to make my own version of every sprite for every army one day (I find it fun as well), but that may never happen (certainly not for years), so overlap is to be expected eventually. Along that line- feel free to make Empire sprites if they ever interest you (though I'd prefer if we work on the currently sprite-less races, so great choice with Chaos :) ).
I intend to credit everyone for their work in the program's Help section- would you prefer for me to use your username here or something else?
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Thanks. Yeah, Chaos is the army that I have IRL so that's the one I'm most familiar with :)
Concerning the credits my username here will do just fine.
I've done some tests on a Bretonnian spearman stand with the idea of it being a "template" so you can use it for other races with some minor modifications.
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2ak0b4i.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2yudlig.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2cs9d7b.jpg)
High Elves
(http://i59.tinypic.com/30jsg01.jpg)
Dark Elves
(http://i62.tinypic.com/fz6yv9.jpg)
Wood Elves
And to continue the Chaos theme here's also a stand of Hounds:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/kspzr.jpg)
(http://i60.tinypic.com/n1szmw.jpg)
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Looking good the hounds!
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Thanks alot! Feel free to come with any suggestions/comments about the units. I just noticed that there is no official army list for Wood Elves, but what the heck...
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Bretonnia/Archers_Bretonnia_zpsohbfzypc.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Bretonnia/Archers_Bretonnia_zpsohbfzypc.png.html)
Bretonnian Archers
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/Archers_HighElves_zpsrvnkwvfa.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/Archers_HighElves_zpsrvnkwvfa.png.html)
High Elf Archers
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/BoltThrowerWithCrew_zpsszqx83pn.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/BoltThrowerWithCrew_zpsszqx83pn.png.html)
High Elf Bolt Thrower
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/Archers_DarkElves_zpsd5ywuv4b.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/Archers_DarkElves_zpsd5ywuv4b.png.html)
Dark Elves Crossbows
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Wood%20Elves/Archers_WoodElves_2_zpsvqhk0w45.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Wood%20Elves/Archers_WoodElves_2_zpsvqhk0w45.png.html)
Wood Elf Archers
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/Harpies5_zpsesntudcm.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/Harpies5_zpsesntudcm.png.html)
Harpies
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/HarpiesBig_zpsxv8rgxik.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/HarpiesBig_zpsxv8rgxik.png.html)
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Wow, you've been busy! So have I and my other sprite-making friend- I'll try and share those soon.
I've added your previous pieces to the game- hopefully I can add these soon and share those extension files. Currently I've only got the program set to have the initial 6 armies from the rulebook- I've been adding things like the Wood Elf and Bretonnian spearmen as alternatives for the High Elves. I'll separate them out later, but don't want to get overwhelmed with all of the races at once.
What time zone are you in Shapeshifter? I should give you a game so you can see how it runs (assuming you haven't found an opponent yet), and let me know if you have any advice for that side of things.
Thanks again for your efforts.
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A double post, but I think it's deserving- This is all of the Empire units in Talabecland colours.
Halberdiers, Skirmishers and Flagellants
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Infantry1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Infantry1.png.html)
Crossbowmen and Handgunners
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Infantry2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Infantry2.png.html)
Knights and Pistoliers
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Cavalry1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Cavalry1.png.html)
Cannon and Helblaster
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Artillery1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Artillery1.png.html)
A selection of Steam Tanks
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/SteamTanks1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/SteamTanks1.png.html)
The original Steam Tank is on the left. My friend Ehlijen (forum name) then gave advice to make the middle one, which I then altered again when I noticed the Warmaster Steam Tank model only has a turret cannon, not a hull mounted one.
I'm also well on my way to having the Empire characters done- hopefully they'll have a complete set soon.
Things I'd like to do with these guys in the future:
-Give options for command stands
-Add variety by altering each stand, so a unit isn't just a heap of clones stands
-Re-colour into other Empire factions
Making markers for other races first will be a priority though. Next up for me will be Orcs and Goblins.
I'll post Ehlijen's work soon.
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Characters to lead the human rabble... err, I mean disciplined troops
General, 2 heroes and 2 wizards
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Characters1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Characters1.png.html)
General on Griffon, Hero on Griffon and Wizard on Griffon
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Characters2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Characters2.png.html)
Wizard on War Altar
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Emp_Talabecland_WarAltar_big.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Emp_Talabecland_WarAltar_big.png.html)
Many thanks to my friend Ehlijen for his advice on colours for the above, and also for producing these:
Dwarfs
Warriors and Thunderers
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/DwarfInfantry1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/DwarfInfantry1.png.html)
Rangers and Trollslayers
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/DwarfInfantry2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/DwarfInfantry2.png.html)
Cannon, Flame Cannon and Gyrocopter
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/DwarfOther1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/DwarfOther1.png.html)
And to lead them:
General (with shield bearers), Hero, Runesmith and Runesmithwith Anvil
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/DwarfCharacters.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/DwarfCharacters.png.html)
Also, some High Elves
Spearmen and Archers
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/HEInfantry1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/HEInfantry1.png.html)
Chariot and Bolt Thrower
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/HEOther.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/HEOther.png.html)
With that lot, Empire and Dwarves are done for now, and between Shapeshifter and Ehlijen Chaos and High Elves are also well on their way
I should have some time soon to load these images into the game, and make them available for download.
A small note for anyone curious- when I enlarge the models to put on here it makes them a bit 'fuzzy', so I think they actually look better in-game with regular zoom.
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Everything has been loaded into the game, and I've made a few tweaks to the main mod as well.
Vassal:
http://www.vassalengine.org/download.php (http://www.vassalengine.org/download.php)
This Vassal Mod:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn1pi6prp3ne1cw/Warmaster0.vmod?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn1pi6prp3ne1cw/Warmaster0.vmod?dl=0)
The extensions containing the army files:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0qhlbc8cq59ds0a/AAAItstghL0PTOhIsaS3oezIa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0qhlbc8cq59ds0a/AAAItstghL0PTOhIsaS3oezIa?dl=0)
Extensions must be placed in the folder that the mod creates (Warmaster0), in a folder called 'Warmaster0_ext'. Alternatively, in Vassal, right click on the Warmaster mod and go to 'add extension', then find where you've saved them.
Let me know if any of these links don't work, or if anyone has trouble with the files and/or Vassal.
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That sounds great, I'll install the mod later today. I'm somewhat concerned that the infantry I've made are too small, but I'll load them into Vassal and check them out. Will be interesting for sure!
Regarding the characters on the griffon, where the wings go outside the base, are you using alpha settings/transperancy for the rest of the image where the background will be showing through? I'm doing a dragon mount and I've put it on an infantry stand for now, but it would be cooler to have it on a round base.
Would be fun to have a game sometime and see how it works. I'm still a novice when it comes to the actual rules, so any practice is useful too :) My timezone is GMT +1 (Europe).
Here are two more stands that I've made:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/GreatEagles3_zpshvcpu5b4.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/GreatEagles3_zpshvcpu5b4.png.html)
Great Eagles
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/GreatEaglesBig_zpsde0u8i0r.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/GreatEaglesBig_zpsde0u8i0r.png.html)
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Chaos/Ogres2_zpsz5rvo8ke.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Chaos/Ogres2_zpsz5rvo8ke.png.html)
Ogres
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Chaos/OgresBig_zpsibb2fkoq.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Chaos/OgresBig_zpsibb2fkoq.png.html)
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Very nice!
For the wings going outside of the base- it just uses transparency. I've only done this on characters so far- the Gyrocopter sadly has clipped wings in-game. Ideally I'd like to make different layers within a single piece, so that units with bit over the edge aren't a problem, but haven't had the time to delve into how to do that yet.
I've played a game against my friend Ehlijen recently (still ongoing), and he elected to use your High Elf pieces over his- They are a different size to my Empire guys, but they look great. I'll post some pictures from the game when I have time (sadly it's a bit one-sided).
Playing the game has shown a few other things that need improvements, so expect another update probably within a week or two (and I'll add those two new units of yours in that update).
My local time is GMT +10:30, or maybe +9:30 or 11:30? Damn daylight savings. I'll have to check. Either way, I have holidays coming up where time of day will be little issue for me.
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Good to hear that you've got another game going and that the High Elves are looking ok on the battlefield!
After having some Java errors I finally got Vassal running with the WM mod and extensions. It looks pretty good so far and quite easy to use too. I like the skull point trackers..hehe..
Two things that came to my mind:
It would be convenient to have the the Hits, Attacks and Armour of the units accessible during combat to avoid using the rulebook.
Dice sounds - you'll probably add it later, but it makes it a bit easier to keep track of what's happening in the game. Here's a free to use one: http://soundbible.com/182-Shake-And-Roll-Dice.html (http://soundbible.com/182-Shake-And-Roll-Dice.html)
I have to say Ehlijen and yourself have done some great work on the sprites so far, based on my own experience it's no small amount of work. Very inspirational! :)
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Thanks :)
Sprites are a lot of work- it's taken me ~1 year to finish the Empire! (it's one of those things where motivation comes and goes). I am very happy to have you helping out ;D
There's a few things that need changing- like the movement controls for artillery still seem to have issues. When I tried to use the command radius function in-game on my Empire characters that also didn't work. These are both things I tried and tested offline with no problem, but maybe online adds issues?
I also intend to set all units to having the same fixed move distances for the same button- 1, 10 and maybe 15cm? Currently it's set so that units move at 1, half their full, and their full move- but this is messy with mixed brigades and I don't think really gives a huge benefit.
I'd also like to add another zoom layer, though have found zooming too much can cause crashes (probably very computer dependent).
Having a quick-reference rules sheet available for each unit is definitely a plan, and shouldn't be hard to do. I just need time to look into it. I know other mods, like BFG and X-wing can do it easily enough. I also intend to attach the living rulebook pdf to the game's help section, if possible.
I hadn't considered dice sounds- I'll think about it, depending on how easy it is to work into the drop-down menu. Thanks for the link!
Here are some probably complete Orcs
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Orcs.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Orcs.png.html)
Originally I had them as 6 per rank, before I actually looked at my models. What do people think looks better? (A second rank of 6 would be added if I kept going along this line)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/BrownBase_test2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/BrownBase_test2.png.html)
(I had to go with brown bases for the Orcs- green skin and green bases in 2D just don't work without very weird shading)
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It's a bit easier to spot the individual orcs with 5 in the ranks, so I'll vote for that one. Aren't orcs supposed to be larger than humans anyway?
I did some research on dice sounds and apparantly you have to use the dice as a game piece on the board, so maybe that will be something for the future.
After reading in the Vassal's designer guide I've entertained myself with adding movement sounds for the Empire Knights. I have all these wav-files from an old computer game called Warlords 3 that are just perfect for this with generic sounds for Infantry, Cavalry and various creatures like Eagles, Dragons and Ogres. Not overly necessary but cool 8)
I think it would be even better to have the relevant statistics for units pop up when you mouse over them. From what I've gathered so far it's possible to add text together with the close-up image of the unit.
Concerning the radius issue computer programs are a mystery sometimes and damn frustrating too. Too bad it doesn' t work, because it's a nice feature. Maybe it could be some sort of syncing problem with your opponent? Do you both have the same version of the mod?
Edit: I did some experimenting with the unit statistics and came up with two ways:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/UnitStats_zpsoog3g4nc.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/UnitStats_zpsoog3g4nc.jpg.html)
When you move the mouse over it, the stats are displayed above the image.
Or, by using a Property Sheet, you can access the stats on the unit menu. You can also write in new values here.
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/UnitStats2_zpso9qztv6m.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/UnitStats2_zpso9qztv6m.jpg.html)
By the way, about editing the mod. If I send you the edited files is it possible for you to copy any additions I make into your "original" file or how does it work?
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I should be able to make dice as physical in-game objects, so that could have sound. I've seen other mods do it. I'll make them an option in addition to the current pull-down menu though.
Adding sound is well ahead of my current aim, but feel free to go for it- my only question is whether you'd need permission to use Warlord 3's sounds? I know the mod is already an unlicensed knock-off, but there's a difference between making this and actively stealing work. I'm pretty sure that both players don't need identical versions of everything though- so even if I don't think it's appropriate to distribute a version with the sounds you should still be able to have them work for you when playing.
The mouse-over stat idea is an interesting one- my only question is what size is it, and does it show even when zoomed in? (right now the mouse-over image won't show if the mouse-over image would be smaller than the unit actually appears on-board).
My thoughts had been to go with the property sheet option. I've seen other mods do more 'pretty' versions of this- I assume using image files. I'd like to do that (though there is an advantage to an editable property sheet as well- could be useful for campaigns, magic items, etc).
Anyway, other progress at 4x game size:
Orcs and Goblins
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Big1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Big1.png.html)
Black Orcs and Ogres (Ogres are from Shapeshifter, put onto a brown base, with slight darkening of the wood to make it stand out more. I really like these guys)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Big2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Big2.png.html)
Wolf Riders, Boar Boys and Chariot
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Big3.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Big3.png.html)
I went with making numbers the same as they are on actual Warmaster bases- 5 Orcs and 6 Goblins per rank (though I have versions of 6 Orcs and 7 Goblins). The occasional red balls are squigs- it's hard to give them features from above.
Edit:
Forgot to say- if you make a copy of the Warmaster mod and rename it (add a 'B' or something), send that to me and I can add things into the main mod version (if we work on versions of the same name and send them back and forth they'll overwrite each other, which will lead to madness)
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The O & G stands look excellent(as always), they really manage to transfer the Warhammer/Warmaster spirit I think. The red blobs don't add much though and I'd probably get rid of them.
I've been working on some Marauders so they are coming up shortly, plus a stand of Dragon Riders.
Two more suggestions about the mod:
Shortcuts to the diceroll sub-menu:
1D6 - Ctrl+1
2D6 - Ctrl+2, etc up to Ctrl+0 and then another key for X dice.
Adding "Remove Stands" to the unit menu. The corresponding shortcuts could be similar to those for adding stands but with Ctrl added, like Ctrl+Shift+A: Remove Stand Left, Ctrl+Shift+D: Remove Stand Right , etc.
Adding the sound was merely a test and I'm sure there are loads of other free versions on the web should the need arise to have any.
Here is a better image of the unit stats that pops up when you hold the mouse over it. Like the unit image, the stats only show up when you have the table zoom between 10% and 275%.
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/UnitStats_zps8ojn8lfq.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/UnitStats_zps8ojn8lfq.jpg.html)
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I'm hoping some alternative stands will help the red squig blobs be more meaningful- like when I get around to making a goblin stand with squig hopper in it. They're also another place to show off army colours- red and black (checked where possible) for these Orcs and Goblins. That's something I hadn't thought of- I should probably add some red and black to those Ogres.
Maybe the squig idea won't work- we'll see. Maybe I should just tone their brightness down a bit?
Looking forward to the Marauders!
Good idea on the dice roll shortcut- have you looked at whether that is possible? I could maybe add it to a gaming piece? Is that what you're thinking of?
That mouse over idea does look appealing- the notes section for a piece always lets you state unusual unit facts anyway, so an editable sheet isn't needed.
I think a 'remove stands' menu may be awkward- currently the command is 'add/remove stands' because that's exactly what it does- the additional stands are just layers turned on or off by a certain key combination. I've found it works fairly well as is- Why would you prefer it to be a separate key combination to add stands and remove stands? (I'm guessing this is possible to do, but haven't actually looked- and if it is I don't think I can give it it's own menu? Feel free to check it out in the Layer controls)
As a sort-of note to self, I should add a counter to show units that have a permanent -1Ld penalty due to blunders. And make a 'Giant goes wild' control for the Giant.
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The version I have of the mod just have "Add stands" in the unit menu, and I had some problems figuring out how to remove them. Having "Add/Remove stands" is probably a better alternative. I was mainly looking to make it more informative to the players.
Alright so here's the new stands:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Chaos/Marauders2_zpstwfzjdpf.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Chaos/Marauders2_zpstwfzjdpf.png.html)
Marauders
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Chaos/Marauders2Big_zpsrljq2oev.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Chaos/Marauders2Big_zpsrljq2oev.jpg.html)
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/DragonRiders4_zpsiblrcavw.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/DragonRiders4_zpsiblrcavw.png.html)
Dragon Riders
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/DragonRiders4Big_zpsl12oblbi.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/High%20Elves/DragonRiders4Big_zpsl12oblbi.jpg.html)
I meant the dice button on the toolbar. You can set a Hot Key in the properties window of each of the symbolic dice and it seemed to be working when I tried it.
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Great! Thanks for the work on the new sprites, and thanks for looking into the drop-down hotkey. I'll definitely add that.
Maybe I forgot to add the '/remove stands' bit? Or maybe that caused an error? I'll look into it again- either way, currently it's the same keys to add and remove the stands. If I do find I can change this it'll be a slow update. I'll need to change the name in every possible stand placement in every piece :o :'(
Another suggestion that came up from the last game I played (of which I still need to write something about) is to have 2 different dice menus- one which adds the dice totals, and one which orders them. Currently all pre-set dice numbers are added, but not ordered, and the XD6 option orders them but doesn't add. This is due to limits in Vassal's settings, but I can make more options that are ordered (handy for quickly totalling the hits scored, etc.).
The Orcs and Goblins are almost done now- pretty much just characters to go (15 character options!). I should be able to start refining the code soon.
Shapeshifter- I don't suppose you speak German at all? There was a mod made that claimed to have the ability to join pieces into a single unit (a Warhammer Fantasy mod- http://fightingchaos.com/vassal/battle/index.html (http://fightingchaos.com/vassal/battle/index.html)). It also claimed to have a rotate setting, with an arbitrary rotation point and which measured the rotation distance. Unfortunately that mod is long inactive, the creators are silent and the forum that was linked to it is dead (and in German). I've tried looking into the code myself, but just don't get it. I feel a bit bad for asking (looking into this drove me a bit mad...), but if you're really keen on getting into the code understanding this stuff would help immeasurably. I don't actually expect anyone to go to this level of effort, but no harm in asking! One day I'll try it again myself (though don't even know if it's compatible with the modern Vassal engine anyway).
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Trolls and Shapeshifter's Ogres tweaked a bit more (now with red and black). There's a version of the trolls without the red and black arm bands, and with some red back scales instead- the blurriness from enlarging them doesn't do them any favours though.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Big5.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Big5.png.html)
The real heavy-hitters: Giant and two Rock Lobber variants (one in the Warmaster style, one in my preferred Warhammer style)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Big4.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Big4.png.html)
Many thanks to Ehlijen with feedback- especially on the Giant. That guy took ages to do- strangely tricky given the relatively large area to work with. I tried my hand at making the crushed cart, but the colours of the human soldiers would have been distracting, so instead there's now a dead mule (thanks again to Ehlijen for that idea). I purposefully didn't use too many highlights on the cart, and muted it a bit with the base colour so that it's not too distracting. I think this is a useful idea- I did the same with the troll feet.
Shading on the trolls is clearly a little odd- their heads are much lighter than they should be, and their bodies darker, but I found this was needed to make body parts clear. Single colour models are tricky!
Just the characters to go now!
Quick update:
I've now added a rollable D6 as a game piece, have modified the wound markers to go from 0-9 (the zero is so that 2 beside each other can go from 1-99, in case such madness is needed). Movement has been standardised to 1, 5 and 10 for all. I've also added more flags, and updated all extensions to add all current pieces. There's also a dice rolling hotkey- Ctrl 1 to Ctrl - (for x).
I tried looking into one lot of dice that orders the roll and one lot that adds- oddly that's not easy. I'll have to look into the code of the dice buttons and try and work out how to make my own.
I think I can probably make the stand text 'add/remove', but am currently feeling overwhelmed at the amount of work that would need. I may do it in time- very slowly.
Shapeshifter- what is the function you used to get the pop-up stats like on that Empire stand? I see a few possible options, but haven't yet experimented to work out which one you've used.
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You're welcome! I need something to focus my creative energies on at the moment and this suits me just fine.
Good work on the giant there. The muted feets creates a nice 3D effect. Interesting with the black and red patterns on them. Are you planning to use different colours for various Orc clans(if there are such things, I'm not that familiar with Warhammer lore) or is it just for personal taste?
I don't know what happened to /Remove, but I guess it will suffice for now to just have Add/Remove on the main stand menu and then keep the Add Stand Left, Right, etc on the sub-menu. Using the same keys for adding/removing works good, after having tested it a bit.
I've been thinking some more on the unit stats. How many do you think is necessary to include? I've done a test on a property sheet that have most relevant information. Ideally you don't want to look up the rules constantly.
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/UnitStats3_zpscsq2ps8d.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/UnitStats3_zpscsq2ps8d.jpg.html)
The way I did the mouse-over stats was to edit a unit in the Empire extension(Halberders), adding a Dynamic Property, giving it the name Statistics and the stats for Attack, Hits, etc in the Value box. Then in the properties for Mouse-Stack Viewer in the main mod I put in $Statistics$ in the box for "Summary text above pieces". I don't know if that's the proper(or most efficient way) to do it but at least it worked :)
I actually learned German back in school so I'm a little familiar with it. I'm also a little familiar with Java so I'll take a look at that link you posted.
Good to hear that you've updated the mod. Do you have a download link for it?
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Mod:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn1pi6prp3ne1cw/Warmaster0.vmod?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn1pi6prp3ne1cw/Warmaster0.vmod?dl=0)
Extensions:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0qhlbc8cq59ds0a/AAAItstghL0PTOhIsaS3oezIa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0qhlbc8cq59ds0a/AAAItstghL0PTOhIsaS3oezIa?dl=0)
The red/black is just a way to try and denote which unit is in which army- a similar idea to the 'flags' really. Basically, I'd like to make a copy of the current models with alternative colours, so that an Orc vs Orc fight won't get too confusing. For the Empire this was simple, thanks to the uniform. I've had to be a little more creative for the Orcs. Making the alternative colour scheme versions is one of the last things on my list- just a bit of future planning for now.
Adding '/remove' to the main menu should be easy enough- good idea, thanks :)
I agree you don't want to look up rules constantly, though it's also good not to be bombarded by them all the time. Maybe two methods would be good- the mouse-over, giving a shorthand of the most basic stats (eg. Att: 3/1, Hit: 3, Arm: 6+), with a property sheet with more complete rules (as you last posted) accessible via the right-click menu?
It'll be more work, but shouldn't be too much.
I suspect your way of doing the mouse-over text is the correct one. Vassal can be odd in the way it does things.
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Thanks for the links. Do you mind putting the files in a zip-file next time? I'm prompted with a "Register-at-Dropbox" window for every file, which is a bit annoying, since I have to close that window and re-click them.
Nice to see the new units and implementations. Which is the shortcut for Roll X dice?
Yeah, I've been thinking about having both the mouse-over and property sheet too. It sounds like a good solution to me.
Here are some left-over sprites that I did some weeks ago. You can put them in the mod if you want to. They are alternative versions of the Harpies and Elven Bolt Thrower.
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/Harpies4_zpshfcioc9m.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/Harpies4_zpshfcioc9m.png.html)
Harpies 1
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/Harpies3_zpshumnzw14.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/Harpies3_zpshumnzw14.png.html)
Harpies 2
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/shapeshifter878/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/BoltThrowerWithCrew_DE_zpsvpfrucwz.png) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/shapeshifter878/media/Warmaster%20Vassal/Dark%20Elves/BoltThrowerWithCrew_DE_zpsvpfrucwz.png.html)
Bolt Thrower
Edit: I've put together the stats(both as mouse-over and property sheet) for the Chaos units that I've the done the sprites for. I've also increased the font size for the mouse-over text to 12 pts.
http://www.megafileupload.com/1PlN/WM_Chaos_Stats.zip
(http://www.megafileupload.com/1PlN/WM_Chaos_Stats.zip)
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Hi Shapeshifter,
Vassal files are already zip files (any vassal file is just a re-named .zip), but I'll see what I can do about grouping them into one download.
The dice-rolling shortcut is Ctrl 1-0 (for 1-10), and Ctrl - for 'X' dice. If that doesn't work I may be mis-remembering- it may be Shift 1-0. Either way, it's pretty simple.
Thanks for the sprites and chaos stuff- I'll take a look at how you've done it and will add the same to all other armies.
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Sounds great. Yeah, I noticed that the files are already compressed, so I meant grouping them into one package.
Some other shortcuts that would be nice are for Zoom In/Zoom Out. There's a Hotkey input window for it, so it's doable. Maybe the keyboard numpad '+' for Zoom In and '-' for Zoom out?
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I've been a bit busy, and probably will continue to be for a while, but here's some stuff I've prepared earlier...
Orc Characters on Foot-
General, 3x Heroes and a Shaman (I'll probably make an alternative Shaman at some point too)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/OrcFootCharacters.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/OrcFootCharacters.png.html)
Goblin Characters on Foot-
3x Heroes and a Shaman (again, alternate shaman to come)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/GoblinFootCharacters.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/GoblinFootCharacters.png.html)
Orc Characters on Chariots
General, Hero, Shaman
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/OrcChariotCharacters.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/OrcChariotCharacters.png.html)
Goblin Character on Chariots
Hero, Shaman
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/GoblinChariotCharacters.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/GoblinChariotCharacters.png.html)
Shapeshifter- the zoom in/zoom out shortcut is a good idea. I don't have a numberpad on my current computer though- I'll try a copy/paste of a + and -, but don't know if it'll work.
I played another game recently against my usual friend- this time Orcs vs Kislev. It was an extremely close game, with some moments of pretty crazy luck. We had 22 units each, and the game handled it pretty well. I'll try to post some pics.
Some odd things/issues:
-The command radius was working again. I hadn't touched it since last game- I don't know what the issue was.
-On table dice were popular (and seemed to love the Kislev side), but a sound effect is vital for them, as sometimes the numbers don't change and you can't tell if the program failed to make a roll or if the dice simply came up with the same numbers. I'll use the one you linked to earlier, Shapeshifter.
-Delete should probably be changed from 'Ctrl D', as adding a stand to the right is 'Shift D' (a slip-up happened during the game). I'm thinking 'Del', or maybe 'Shift Del' should work if Vassal allows it.
I think I'll focus on some terrain once the Orcs are done (5 Wyverns and 2 Shamans to go).
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Yeah, I'm a bit busy here too, but I've done some stats for the High Elves.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=12531504993331542166
The character stands look good. Are you using some special function in Gimp to get that smooth shading of the colours?
Edit:
The HE units with stats are Archers(white), Spearmen(white), Great Eagles, Dragon Riders & Bolt Thrower.
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Thanks!
Are you using some special function in Gimp to get that smooth shading of the colours?
Lol, I wish!
There is a gradient feature in GIMP (the button is a box shaded from black to white), but the only places I've used it are on the bases (the edge shading), terrain (excellent for this, as it has all sorts of common shapes to 'shade' by), and some of the woodwork of the 'Warmaster' style rock lobber. Everything else I've done by hand, pixel by pixel- and yes, I am crazy (I've found I can do it while watching movies now, so that's something). GIMP has an 'opacity' feature for the colours, so if things are too jarring it's easy to go over things with one colour at 70/50/20/10 percent opacity, or something like that. There's a lot of sneaky (and sometimes not so sneaky) cut and paste to speed things up.
It may be a while before I can give any serious update. I'll try to get the Wyvern characters done, but uni is hitting me pretty hard at the moment.
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Don't worry about the updates. I kind of like the ongoing and slower nature of this project :)
I use Paintshop Pro for the sprites and I usually don't have the patience to smooth the colours the way you do, but I'm still a bit more meticulous now about the colours than when I did my first stand.
I'm thinking about starting on the unit stats for the Empire/Dwarfs. Is that ok, or have they been done?
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I haven't got around to doing any stats myself yet, feel free!
Thanks
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The last of the Orcs and Goblins-
Two more shaman variants on foot- Orc (left) and Goblin (right)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/FootCharacters2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/FootCharacters2.png.html)
Wyvern Swarm!
Orc General, Orc Hero and Orc Shaman
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/OrcWyvernCharacters.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/OrcWyvernCharacters.png.html)
Goblin Hero and Goblin Shaman
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/GoblinWyvernCharacters.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/GoblinWyvernCharacters.png.html)
Feedback has been that the Wyverns and characters are a bit too dark and hard to distinguish from each other. I agree with that- there's a lot of green, so I had to make it very dark to have distinction between the wyvern and rider (but GW wyverns have always been green). My friend has suggested that I make some sand-coloured wyverns, which is probably a good idea, but right now I feel a need to call these done and focus on other things.
Updates will probably be few, if any, for the next ~month.
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Wyverns look great.
I've been thinking about the different charts in the rulebook. Are you planning to have buttons for each one?
There are those that require a roll like:
Command Blunder
Giant Goes Wild
Steam Tank Malfunction
And other ones that do not require a roll like:
Flame Cannon Misfire
Helblaster Misfire
Perhaps it could be a good idea to have two different buttons for those groups, with sub-menus for each individual chart? I'm not really sure how to do that though.
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I've got a command blunder roll as an option in the main window- it automatically reads out a random result from the table (with the appropriate chance for each one).
I've been meaning to make one for the giant, and had completely forgotten about the steam tank. My plan had been to have it as a menu option- eg. right click on the giant, select a 'Giant goes wild!' option, then a text readout would say what to do. I think I need to make a direction randomiser for the giant too? I'll need to recheck the table.
I would assume that's the easiest way to do it, but haven't got around to trying yet.
I hadn't considered the helblaster or flame cannon chart either. I guess the easiest option may be an option to display the table as part of the right-click drop down menu?
The menu/sub menu idea could work as well, though may be unnecessary clutter as not all armies are affected by it. I'll need to look at how much free space there is next time I can get back to this.
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The idea of having some charts in the unit menu sounds like a good idea. Those for the Flame Cannon and Helblaster just need text anyway.
Here is the first version of the stats for all Empire units. They all now have mouse-over info, as well as a property sheet with special rules, etc. I've also made some minor changes to the Chaos/High Elf stats I posted earlier.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=11576832736714060466 (http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=11576832736714060466)
I have not made additional stats for those units with variants on the sprites(like the Steam Tank), but it should be easy just to copy those that have and then change the unit image.
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Thanks for the stats Shapeshifter. I haven't got around to adding them to the game yet- I've been quite busy with studies. I have one main exam coming up in a week or two (I really hope two...), then two weeks until a minor exam. I'll probably be working on this a fair bit in those last two weeks.
During my study breaks I've been trying to improve the current terrain (it's very easy to do terrain, as you can use all of the pre-programed shapes and shadings).
This is an overview, showing the scale. Also note the board has now been textured, so it's no longer quite such a hideous, glaring green.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/TerrainOverview20150528.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/TerrainOverview20150528.png.html)
There's a few more buildings, including one pre-made block (a Wizard's compound, based on the Forgeworld model)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Buildings20150528.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Buildings20150528.png.html)
A castle. This shows one of each piece, arranged a bit randomly (see the overview for each piece by itself). Pieces are, in order from the left, a Large Tower (interior of top 6cmx6cm), Gateway (12cm long, and 4cm deep at the towers), a Wall Buttress (2cmx4cm), a short Wall Piece (4cm long), a 90 degree Buttress (~4cmx4cm), a Small Tower (interior of top 4cmx4cm), a 45 degree wall Buttress, and a long Wall Piece (12cm)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Castle20150528.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Castle20150528.png.html)
A river. Like the castle this is made of pieces. From the left- a 30cm section, 90 degree curve (~30cm), a 12cm section and a 45 degree curve (~30cm). Straight sections are fairly seamless in colouring, unfortunately the curved sections always seem a little off.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Rivers20150528.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Rivers20150528.png.html)
Miscellaneous- some crops (wheat and fruit), stone walls (4cm and 12cm) and fences (4cm and 12cm)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/CropsFences20150528.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/CropsFences20150528.png.html)
The forest and lakes. Same outline as last time, but hopefully looking much better.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/ForestsLake20150528.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/ForestsLake20150528.png.html)
A pile of rocks. I need to make more rocks, incorporate it into hills, etc. These rocks are modified from a pattern already found in the program GIMP.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Rocks20150528.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Rocks20150528.png.html)
Hills. Same as last time, only cleaned up a little (no fuzzy edges, sides more similar in colouring). The top has also been textured like the rest of the board (though it is slightly lighter).
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Hills20150528.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Hills20150528.png.html)
Other things to come will be some bridges and more buildings. I also need to make alternate shapes and sizes of the forests, lakes and hills.
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Great work on the terrain! The castle looks nice.
Good luck with the exams!
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Yep, everything is nice here. I like the project.
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Thanks Marell and Shapeshifter.
I've made some more changes-
More buildings:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Buildings20150609.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Buildings20150609.png.html)
The windmill would have 4 blades, but I can think of no neat way to show the other two. The village has a 2cm gap at the south, 4cm at the west and north, and 2cm gaps joining all openings. Depending on how people choose to play it that may be useful to cavalry and monsters.
Bridges:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Bridges20150609.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Bridges20150609.png.html)
A 4cm wide stone bridge and 2cm wide wooden bridge. I think I need to reduce the whiteness around the poles of the wood bridge- this image is the first time I've compared the bridges.
As should be known to anyone who reads this, Shapeshifter has done a lot of work adding convenient little stat bars to the models. I've now had the chance to add these to my version, though I've made a few little tweaks. Here's an example of how they work:
The model standing on the board normally is just that- a simple model
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/ModelOverview1_20150609.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/ModelOverview1_20150609.png.html)
If you place the mouse over the model, the name and stats appear, as well as a larger view of the model (very handy when zoomed right out)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/ModelOverview2_20150609.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/ModelOverview2_20150609.png.html)
You can also right click on the model and select 'statistics', to give you a more complete stat and rules list that includes some area for notes
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/ModelOverview3_20150609.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/ModelOverview3_20150609.png.html)
Some big creatures (like the Giant here) can be wounded- so now if you right click on the model (or use the keyboard command) you can choose to make him wounded. I've changed this so that it now adds damage to the model, and also changes the mouse over to say the giant is wounded, and it halves his stats
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/ModelOverview4_20150609.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/ModelOverview4_20150609.png.html)
@Shapeshifter- my main change is that I've re-worded some of the statistics descriptions for brevity (I think quick reminders are better than expanded rules in those boxes- after all, people should have the rulebook if they're still unsure about something).
I've also added a magic quick-reference.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/ModelOverview5_20150609.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/ModelOverview5_20150609.png.html)
If you right click on a magic user and go to the 'magic' submenu, there's a list of their spell names and casting values. In hindsight I now also want to add ranges, but that'll be a while. It's a surprising amount of work for a small change.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/ModelOverview6_20150609.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/ModelOverview6_20150609.png.html)
If you click on a spell (or more than one, as I've done here) you get a box with the spell name and details. This isn't word for word from the book, but I've tried to keep it as clear as possible while abbreviating. It's intended more as a reminder than full rules.
To make things more simple in the future, all of the 6 main armies now have assigned models. Any pieces that lacked an army specific model have a generic piece for now, easy to replace later. The benefit is that the stat blocks, magic spells, etc. are all in place right now.
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Really good addition. Will surely help for gameplay.
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I've been looking through the scenarios in the rulebook, and there's a lot of scenario specific terrain, models and possible terrain interaction. I've been working on adding a few of these options to the game.
Roads:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Roads_20150615.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Roads_20150615.png.html)
These are 4cm wide, and most are about 12" long. There should be enough connectors for pretty much any possible set-up.
Buildings now have more options:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Buildings20150615.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Buildings20150615.png.html)
Standard
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Buildings20150615_2.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Buildings20150615_2.png.html)
On fire
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Buildings20150615_3.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Buildings20150615_3.png.html)
Ruined
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Buildings20150615_4.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Buildings20150615_4.png.html)
Ruined and on fire (this was never really an intended option- some of the flames look a bit funny, coming from now non-existent windows.
All options can be chosen by right clicking on the piece, or by a key combination. I like the idea of having normal and ruined versions of the same buildings, as it kills two birds with one stone (ruins being a good thing to have, and also allowing consistency if gaming over a location repeatedly).
Bridges:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Bridges20150615.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Bridges20150615.png.html)
The bridges can now also be destroyed (and the wooden one also has an 'on fire' option).
Many scenarios also have wagons, which can be looted. I've made an Empire one for now (both rulebook scenarios with carts are for Empire defending the carts):
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Wagon_20150615.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Wagon_20150615.png.html)
There's many more things to be made for scenarios- marshes, chasms, ruined castle walls and towers... I'm going to try and stop for a few weeks though- I'm doing way too much study procrastination :P
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Hi,
great work. Haven't played it online yet, but that gives a lot of opportunities to setup a global campaign!!!
Cheers,
Jurisch
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Playing globally would be great- so far I only have a player pool of 1, and that's only because of this program!
I'd also like to make a hex-based tile system one day, to keep track of campaigns. That's probably a far distant event, if ever, though.
Since my study procrastination skills are the stuff of legend, I've made a few variant deployment zones to suit the rulebook scenarios. I'm also making maps for the scenarios.
This is the map for 'The Battle of Grimm-on-Sour', with many buildings waiting to burn. I copied the rulebook image as accurately as possible, but with the addition of a few fences and walls. The placement of all fences and walls at the main town have purposeful strategic flaws, to not much of a 'must use' thing.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot%2071.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot%2071.png.html)
I'll probably alter the hills and forest a little bit once I've made more variants.
One problem that Vassal suffers from is a strange scaling issue when you zoom- pieces can shift, so the road and river sections come slightly out of alignment and look bad. I've set these up so they look best when zoomed in close. The map above is formed from quite a few mid-zoom photos, which is probably about the usual zoom level.
I forget whether I mentioned it earlier, but I've also added 'Drive Back Markers'. They're the same as the wound markers, only blue (and with a different border). Previously I used wound markers to remind me of drive back, but then forgot to roll once bases were removed, etc. Hopefully these will help.
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Looks like you've gotten a lot of things done! Feel free to edit the stats I did for the Empire. The special descriptions for the artillerty in particular got pretty long. I'm busy with other things at the moment, but I've done some of the stats for the Dwarfs. They are available below if you want to finish those. They all have Dynamic properties and 3 infantry units have the Spreadsheet property.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=74291201554624481460 (http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=74291201554624481460)
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This looks great! Well done sir.
Edit: You are probably already aware but Junior General has a large collection of fantasy top down images than might be of use:
http://www.juniorgeneral.org/index.php/figure/figureList/nonhistorical#100
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With apologies for double posting.
I have been mucking around with the module and I am thoroughly impressed! Excellent work!
I have all the modules (xxx_v1) and stats (xxx.vdmx) in: VASSAL-3.2.15/modules/Warmaster0_ext/
So far so good but when I load the game I get the following errors:
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- v_Warmaster version 1.0
- Extension Chaos_v1 v0.5 loaded
- Extension _Dwarfs_v1 v1.0 loaded
- Extension Empire_Stats_1.0 v0.0 loaded
- Extension Khemri_v1 v0.5 loaded
- Extension Empire_v1 v1.0 loaded
- Extension Id for Empire_v1 (bb9) conflicts with previously loaded extension /home/pat/VASSAL-3.2.15/modules/Warmaster0_ext/Empire_Stats_1.0.vmdx
- Extension Dwarf_Stats_1.0 v0.0 loaded
- Extension Id for Dwarf_Stats_1.0.vmdx (817) conflicts with previously loaded extension /home/pat/VASSAL-3.2.15/modules/Warmaster0_ext/_Dwarfs_v1
- Extension Chaos_Stats_1.1 v0.0 loaded
- Extension Id for Chaos_Stats_1.1.vmdx (597) conflicts with previously loaded extension /home/pat/VASSAL-3.2.15/modules/Warmaster0_ext/Chaos_v1
- Extension HighElf_Stats v0.0 loaded
- Extension HighElf_Stats_1.1 v0.0 loaded
- Extension Id for HighElf_Stats_1.1.vmdx (520) conflicts with previously loaded extension /home/pat/VASSAL-3.2.15/modules/Warmaster0_ext/HighElf_Stats.vmdx
- Extension _HighElves_v1 v0.5 loaded
- Extension Id for _HighElves_v1 (520) conflicts with previously loaded extension /home/pat/VASSAL-3.2.15/modules/Warmaster0_ext/HighElf_Stats_1.1.vmdx
- Extension Orcs_and_Goblins_v1 v1.0 loaded
- This game was saved with extension 'Dwarfs_v1' loaded. You do not have this extension loaded. Place the file into the '/home/pat/VASSAL-3.2.15/modules/Warmaster0_ext' folder to load it
- This game was saved with extension 'HighElves_v1' loaded. You do not have this extension loaded. Place the file into the '/home/pat/VASSAL-3.2.15/modules/Warmaster0_ext' folder to load it
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Obviously there is some sort of module conflict due to an error on my part - any idea on how to clear this up?
Thanks
Pat
EDIT: Fixed it more or less by RTFM for VASSAL especially the section on adding extensions.
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Yeah, sorry, the load errors are because what is currently in the dropbox is a bit of a mix of versions- I need to update it. The stats files are all being worked into the main army files, so 'Empire_stats1.0' is redundant once you have 'Empire v1.0', and so on for all of the other files- that's why they clash with each other. Despite those conflicts, it should still be working. In the main Vassal window you can click the '+' to show all extensions for a mod, then right-click and 'deactivate' an extension- that's a quick way to stop the clashes.
From memory you'll probably be experiencing pesky little errors like the stone bridge not being able to rotate. If you come across specific things like that please let me know- I'm sure I don't catch them all, and this thing is becoming quite a big beast.
I'll try and update the dropbox now, but I'm too distracted by an exam tomorrow to go double checking everything.
I hope to have everything neat and shiny by Tuesday, as I'll be trying to play against a friend Tuesday night (6pm Australian Eastern Standard Time if anyone wants to drop in and look- though we talk over Skype rather than chat in-program).
Edit: Thanks ShapeShifter for the Dwarfs, and thanks for the top-down link PatG.
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No worries - exams are more important than gaming. I'll get to work on some Dogs of War bases.
Edit:
First pass at DoW Pikes:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2ox7xqGQnhA1_eal_BRYqWbIUinc6DoKHFnmsV02-i4=w30-h60-no)
(xcf available)
Not entirely happy pikes could be longer.
Tuska
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/JpPLQDK5CFLjrQJ9L_J3xhlnfFjV6imoGBClijDdZD4=w29-h56-no)
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Thanks PatG!
The files in the dropbox should all be equally up to date now. Apologies Shapeshifter- I haven't grouped them yet, I'll try and do that sometime this week.
I've also yet to add any pre-set rulebook scenarios as instant set-up game options.
I'll add the Dogs of War models soon. Right now I think I'll add them to the 'Miscellaneous' section of Empire (where the cart is), as I want to keep the number of extensions as low as possible until things become more concrete (If we end up with a full DoW army I'll obviously give them their own extension).
One thing I'm currently thinking over: The deployment zone piece sits like terrain on the board, but is lower than all other terrain (to allow easy terrain placement in deployment zones). Unfortunately that then means terrain covers and hides the borders, which can make accurate troop placement tricky.
I don't seem able to make the zone marker sit above the terrain yet not block access to it.
While typing this I just had an idea- I could make the deployment layer sit above terrain, but below troops, and add a 'hide/unhide' button on it, so that it can be shrunk and returned to full size without displacing it (moving such a large piece with accuracy is awful).
Ideas or opinions?
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I've been feeling a little lazy recently, and not very creative, so I've done some simple work- I've re-coloured the Empire troops so that players can now choose from Talabecland, Altdorf or Middenheim. At some point I'll do more, but this is pretty low on the list, so no guarantees on how fast these will progress. Does anyone have any province preferences?
Top to bottom- Talabecland, Altdorf and Middenheim- identical 1000pt armies.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/EmpireVariants20150627.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/EmpireVariants20150627.png.html)
I've also made the deployment zone markers collapsible with a simple button on the marker (I'm quite happy with that- it solves the issue well), and made an orc cart (including looted version). I'll show them sometime later. PatG's models are also added to the Empire Miscellaneous area (for the Talabecland army, as a place holder until DoW get a full extension of their own). This includes stats, spreadsheets and all.
I've not added these latest things to the Dropbox, and still haven't grouped the Dropbox either. I'll try and do both of these in the next week, as I may disappear for roughly the next month with work stuff.
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Looking good
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Thanks :)
A little bit more stuff:
An Orc Wagon
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Wagon_BlackRed_Big.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Wagon_BlackRed_Big.png.html)
The wagon after looting (it may not be clear, but the squig is eating the orc's leg)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Wagon_BlackRed_Big_Looted.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Wagon_BlackRed_Big_Looted.png.html)
Ehlijen made a start on the Khemri undead. I put them on the brown bases to try and give more contrast to all of the bone (the sand bases are way too similar in colour to the bone, and hard to modify enough without looking silly)
Spearmen... well, ex-men
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Spearmen.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Spearmen.png.html)
Archers
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Archers.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Archers.png.html)
To these I've added:
Skeleton Cavalry (I'd like to add some model variation at some point)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/SkeletonCavalry.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/SkeletonCavalry.png.html)
Chariots
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Chariot.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Chariot.png.html)
Kitty cat
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Sphinx.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Sphinx.png.html)
Bone Giant (I now really dislike this model! It's very awkwardly posed)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/BoneGiant.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/BoneGiant.png.html)
There's only a few Khemri and Chaos models remain until all 6 main armies are done!
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Nice work, as usual.
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I'm about to head off, and expect to have little or no internet for 3 weeks. So for now, here's everything:
A RAR file of all extensions (WinRAR is free if nothing else opens it):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4vfgffwlo12a0b/Warmaster0_ext.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4vfgffwlo12a0b/Warmaster0_ext.rar?dl=0)
The extensions individually:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0qhlbc8cq59ds0a/AAAItstghL0PTOhIsaS3oezIa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0qhlbc8cq59ds0a/AAAItstghL0PTOhIsaS3oezIa?dl=0)
And the basic game:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn1pi6prp3ne1cw/Warmaster0.vmod?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn1pi6prp3ne1cw/Warmaster0.vmod?dl=0)
I hope the links all work.
Extensions must be put in the same file as the basic game, in a folder called 'Warmaster0_ext'
If there are any problems with the above... I can't hear you for 3 weeks :p
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I've managed to get some free time this weekend, and as proof of my lack of other life I've managed more work on the Khemri models :P
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Artillery_1.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Artillery_1.png.html)
The basic Bone Thrower overlaps the base sides pretty awkwardly, so I've had to do some tricks for when the pieces are beside each other. This has resulted in different models being needed for each one, so I've added a bit of variety among the placements and crew.
Two Bone Throwers from different units will still overlap awkwardly, cutting off the arms of one, but I can't do anything about that.
I won't get a chance to upload these before I'm busy again.
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I've been working on some Carrion
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot%2081.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot%2081.png.html)
Like the Bone Throwers, they go outside the base boundary, but issues are mostly covered. Oddly, the bases seem out of line- but any attempt to fix that just puts them further out of line, so I've left it as-is.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Geep_2006/Screenshot%2082.png) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Geep_2006/media/Screenshot%2082.png.html)
I haven't bothered trying to correct the overlaps on the rear bases, but this shouldn't be a problem- any combination of 3 bases can still be made with no overlap issues.
I may re-size them- I have no carrion on hand. I also want to add some turquoise, to fit the army colours, but haven't decided where yet.
Only characters to go! I'll be happy to see these guys done- the single colour, with so much bone, is quite hard and a bit dull.