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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Discussion => Topic started by: Toon on March 30, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
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So, I have this crazy idea. What if we manage to get one of the guys who sculpted the original warmaster armies (like araby or empire) to sculpt a new army for us (like wood elves, chaos dwarves, maybe special/alternate units for already existing armies or something totally different). Yes, there are miniatures from different companies already available, but they are quite different in style and dont have the standard "stripe" structure.
How expensive could such a thing be? How long does it take to sculpt a single stripe? What do you guys think?
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I'd be interested
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I feel that the problem isn't simply the sculpting, it's then the cost, equipment and energy of casting as well.
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Contract casting is readily available - it will be much cheaper than the sculpting.
Costs are going to come down to the number of different figures - if you have variants they will be cheaper, and many of the WM figures use this already to change the look of figures slightly, which adds to the variety of the unit.
HE and Araby spears are quite uniform, but Empire Halberds have much more figure variety.
I think from a sculpting perspective, having the figures cast on strips won't make a lot of difference, as they are likely to be sculpted individually, then have some cast up, converted slightly, and made into a strip.
Time scales may depend more on the schedule of the sculptor rather than just the sculpting time. In the recent Pendraken Mongol release - the range was sculpted in a few months - with 15 or so packs, each with probably 3 different figures - though these shared a lot of horse dollies, and probably some bodies.
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I would be interested , depends on what army though .
Stuart
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I would probably contribute too.
A kickstarter would probably be a good option to raise funds. But we could be at the origin of the motivation for a sculptor.
Chaos Dwarves looks like a good choice to me. Green Elves are alredy available in various ranges.
Ogres ? Beastmen ?
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Yes, the problem is that everyone has different priorities about what army they would like. Some people have partial armies and only want to fill gaps in established armies.
Other people want Fan armies. We had a poll about this a year ago and people were very split.
Ogres are in limbo - with two different people perhaps offering some up at a later date. Evil and Chaos already released Ogre Bulls and Leadbelchers. Steppe goblins likewise might make an appearance within a year. I feel that Eureka makes a good stab at offering up both Wood Elves and Chaos Dwarves so I feel those should not be a priority.
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Hmmmmmmmm , still leaves lots of possibilities , could do alternative units to existing armies .
or do major new armies ie skaven , demon , vampire count undead .
Stuart
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I would be interested, but what armies to do is a tough choice.
If I had full control over a sculptor and casting equipment right now, I would try to supplement what's already around to make proper armies.
For example- Eureka does have some good wood elf models, but IMO it really falls down when it comes to actual units (as do most other casting companies). Glade guard can be made and look ok together, but they still don't look uniform enough to be units. Eternal Guard, Wardancers and the like are right out- the current models are a weird hodge-podge of sword and shield, spear, two swords and many other things. In large numbers they look more like a peasant horde than a proper unit (hope I'm not causing offence, this is just how I see it).
Eureka's unique designs do lend themselves well to characters though, so I probably wouldn't try to make new Wood Elf characters.
I wouldn't try to tread on E&C's toes by making ogres, but I may funnel money to him so that they can come out faster (and with a wider model range).
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Mind you, based on some of the prices on eBay, Skaven, Dark Elves and Lizardmen seem to be sorely wanted...
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Don't forget demons as well , or most things from gw world .
Stuart
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If it would promise a whole army being sculpted, I would love to chip into an Ogre kickstarter for Evil and Chaos. He is someone who has already started work on the range, you see.
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I'd say fill in gaps in existing armies of units that aren't currently in production somewhere. Whether that's financially viable or not is another matter altogether...
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@Andys
That's the problem, though - "filling the gaps" is so subjective. Nobody does a decent steam tank or War Altar, but those units are really common on eBay. Whereas fantastical Araby I would love to see - but people will argue that you can get good proxies for a lot of that range.
If you stick to one Fan/Tournament list, like the Evil Men Indiegogo campaign did - there's a much greater chance of some work getting done because it's not a Sisyphean task.
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Yes, there are plenty of good proxy Araby figures. The "missing" stuff, as I've mentioned before, is the magical/fantasy side of things, basically Flying Carpets and Djinns.
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Is one way to contact a sculptor and find out what the costs are "per unit." Then do the same with a casting service. Then we can work out what the total cost is and work out a cost per unit with a minimum number of units.
For example say it is going to cost £500 to get the sculpting and casting of 20 units of Imperial Zweihanders done, then we know we need to get people to commit to pay a sculptor, upfront, around £25 per unit. Once 20 units have ben ordered it can go ahead.
Another way is for someone on these forums to do some market research to find out specifically who wants how many of what unit at, say £20 a unit (or whatever the sweet spot is for what people would be willing to pay for special new units) . Then feed this information to a sculptor who can then do it as a kickstarter? That way, there aren't that many risks - especially if it is an established sculptor with a name to protect. They'd have to be careful of potential GW IP issues though!
Dave
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Still very interested .
Stuart
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Well, in those conditions, i fear it will be impossible to unite us in a mutual agreement of what we really want.
So i would like to propose something else, a variant of what you're proposing.
If we can't agree on a big production (an entire army or filling gaps), why not, each year, order ONE fig, to celebrate our range ?
It would be a limited edition, maybe 100 exemplaries as an example. We pick something missing in one army, we find the sculptor and let's go.
We have good sculptors, here. I'm thinking about Bell, David, Evil and Chaos... And loads of others.
We could change each year if we have too many sculptors.
This is a smaller task than what you where proposing at first. Easier and simpler, and cheaper too. A good first attempt of creating our own stuff i thing. More reasonable.
And easier to reunite everybody around one fig for one year. Next year will come quickly, and if we don't do the fig you want today, it may be next one.
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Hi,
I payed for a sculptor and professional production 3 years ago. Made 4 different units (goblin spider riders, goblin archers, khemri scorpions and pikeniers for dogs of war or Empire or bretonnia). The overall cost was at about 2000€.
To sell some of them to get the cost back is really difficult on a private base without founding a own Company. You get them easily sold on tournaments when people see them directly.
But there are not many tournaments.
Most of the armies are reflected by pendraken for example, except the big monsters.
This is understandable from their point of business view, because the risk to develop units which won't be sold a lot is high.
As long as there is no leading hand coordinating rules and miniatures it is difficult to have approvement.
Several kickstarters won't help and will mostly waste money. Production of single missing units by e.g. pendraken, maybe sponsored by players with a small amount could be a solution.
Regards,
Jürgen
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Jurgen's experience tallies with Vos's example at around £500 a unit.
Clearly much of the cost is in the sculpting as the Evil Men indigogo is doing quite a lot of units €1500
I think that using Kickstarter or Indigogo is probably the only way to go for a full army - it will make people trust the process much more.
For single units then definitely talk to Leon @ Pendraken.
Jurgen - if you are serious about selling those figures, then you really need to present them in a way that people can see the figures, clearly show what is in a pack. Show a price and some contact info. You might be better doing this on eBay.
I've had a quick look at them in the past on your website and really just been a bit confused.
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For Araby's missing figures there is a request at Eureka miniatures - but has not gotten any support so far:
http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=198&products_id=12532
Everyone has different priorities but if we think about the community and focus on e.g. one army at a time we can increase the variety of options out there. It is no good for the hobby if people cannot build new armies.
Kickstarter/Indiegogo is great - I backed the Evil Men project even if to be honest I have a lead mountain piling up and chaos army was not my #1 priority.
But those projects are no panacea. For continuity we ideally want ranges adopted by companies that will be there for years to come.
Perhaps we could co-fund missing pieces with the likes of Pendraken, Kallistra, Eureka etc?
A kickstarter project to fund sculpting with the company investing in producing the molds etc?
That would decrease the investment and risk for the miniatures companies.
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@ forbes: Seems easier at it is: If you sell them official on your website you need to start a company to avoid problems with tax authority and laywers.
Will give eBay a new chance, maybe the new environment makes it more attractive, but you need to be very carefully there too not to get in trouble with tax authorities and the requirement to start a company.
Finally I just wanted to have firstly for my own collection, but happy to give other players copies of them. If you require more pictures or details just send me a PM or a notice via my homepage.
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I don't know what your local tax laws are. But in the UK you can quite happily exist as a sole trader without the need of a company.
Tax is really down to how much you make - unless it's quite a bit no one is going to notice. At worst you declare it as part if your income tax ( and try to offset as many costs as possible - this is where being a company starts to help)
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I had a discussion with a lawyer and a tax consultant before starting the project. You need to setup a company (first costs), accounting (cost and time), setting up a webshop (cost and time). I decided that is too much for some miniatures and shoud still be a hobby.
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I think that commissioning an army would probably be too difficult due to the complexity of the matter.
I think the way forward is to have people who decide to make an army through kickstarter like the recent campaign on indiegogo.
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I think support the new people that is making effort to get in 10mm sculpting is the solutions "you win I win", maybe there are not the figures you need, but if they could consolidate with the time, maybe the figures you want became a reality.
I am refering to Yann, Bel, Evil n chaos, techno, Black Ed.
Companies open to hear the customer's opinion are very valuable, like Pendraken, Eureka.
The idea of contact a worker of GW... I do not think they can scultp whatever they want, for sure they have a contract with the company. I think I have an old thread in the discussion with some names of warmaster range scultpors.
At last there are the possibility of contact with a freelancer well consolidate like Michael Lovejoy.
I will try to support any iniciative, buying figures (in my own economical possibilities)or showing, announcing, promoting them in warmaster Digest.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion guys!
What I was aiming at was not adding yet another army (as you pointed out, there seems to be quite many around already), but to have an army that looks very similar to an already existing GW Fantasy army. Concerning the miniatures hobby, I am very nostalgic: The reason I really like the empire army is that it is not only one of the best modeled 10mm armies ever produced, but also a miniature version of the original 22mm army from 20 years ago. That's why I would not mind to spend 500 or more on, lets say, an army of little tiny beastmen that remind me of long gone times. I think I am not alone with that feeling here ;)
How can you not love such great miniatures? Imagine them to be beastmen, wood elves or chaos dwarves (the ones with the huge hats!).
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc414/kacper_gda/DSC06139.jpg)
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc414/kacper_gda/DSC06147.jpg)
(they are mine, but I didn't paint them)
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They ate magnificent , who did paint them .
Stuart
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+1 8)
Concerning the miniatures hobby, I am very nostalgic: The reason I really like the empire army is that it is not only one of the best modeled 10mm armies ever produced, but also a miniature version of the original 22mm army from 20 years ago.
Regarding the commission my personal feeling is that we should support current sculptors currently working this scale (Yann, Bel, BlackEd, Evil&Chaos, etc) they are doing an excellent job.
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wow 8)
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They ate magnificent , who did paint them .
Either Toon himself or his Warden !
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Either Toon himself or his Warden !
No, no, it was a commission.
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Oh Lord yes please can we have Chaos Dwarves now? Imagine strips of Chaos Dwarves with huge hats. =-<
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Regarding the commission my personal feeling is that we should support current sculptors currently working this scale (Yann, Bel, BlackEd, Evil&Chaos, etc) they are doing an excellent job.
I think those persons should start a kickstarter to be able to gain more cash and produce more figs, to be clear. :)
They really deserve a sculpting job that would make them earn money. And we really deserve nice figs to build new armies.
But not Chaos Dwarves with big hats, please. Old versions where so much cooler.
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Sorry to be Off Topic, but - I thought the big hats Chaos Dwarves WERE the old versions. :-X
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I don't have my GW books with me right now but I think there were earlier versions of the Chaos Dwarves (pre-big hats).... They were like normal dwarves, just chaos-ed up with mutations and a generalised 'degradation' of a dwarf into the chaos style of look.
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Check here for example.
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Chaos_Dwarves_-_MM90
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They are the ones I'm thinking of. Thanks marell!!
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Although they look good as 28mm models, I'm not sure if non-big hat Chaos Dwarfs would really stand out enough in 10mm. They'd probably just look like regular dwarfs with a different paint scheme.
On the sculptors earning money idea- That's what E&C was going for with his Ogres. Getting people to agree to buy a certain amount, then he tried to make funding steady by releasing the models as they were sculpted, so each lot helped pay for the next. I can only assume that people haven't been living up to their agreement there, so the sculpting has slowed or stopped.
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The problem is, people will buy one off units to complete or complement armies but many (including me) won't buy units that are for a new army that may or may not be ever completed e.g. I will not buy "half" an ogres army when the other half isn't available yet, I won't buy half a castle (towers only) and so on.... Looking at what has happened to E+C "ogre range" I'm glad I made that call! I'm not blaming or having a pop at the sculptors for doing this if it is their living, I'm just explaining how it has been for me and (I presume) several other potential buyers.
Predicting demand is the age old problem for any new sculpt.
Dave
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@Geep:
That's not entirely true - he stalled out because he has a lot more solid backing for his 6mm Sci Fi with two kickstarters and so is making totally-not-imperial-guard and totally-not-orks and is planning on doing totally-not-Tyranids next.
In addition to that he had terrible problems with a caster breaking his mold for the cannoneer ogres and when something like that happens it really just makes you throw up your hands and give up sometimes.
Man all I can think of is true Warmaster style big hat chaos dwarves now - I'm going to have to doodle up some concept sketches of them.
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Just saw this which is a post from January 2014:
http://www.magistermilitum.com/news/10_mm_Fantasy/
So Magister Militum will be doing a "huge expansion" of its 10mm fantasy line and is asking for feedback.
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Well I've put my suggestions in to Magister Militum ;D . Hopefully they'll come up with the goods!!
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So the other day I got an email from Magister Militum, following my suggestions, see previous post. They kindly sent me a file listing their proposed fantasy miniatures. It's, well, I guess "Stunning" is the only way to describe it. It's a very long list, I've PDFed it and it runs to 6 pages. Someone is going to be busy sculpting that lot!
Wood Elves, High Elves, Orcs & Goblins and Undead all get a very good showing. Dwarves, Halflings, Lizardmen, Ratmen and Fallen Elves less so but still pretty good. There are some very weird things as well, Kangaroo Legionaires or Giant Penguin Guard anyone?
Some of the lists use some of their existing historical codes, typically for human armys - The Oligarchy of the sands = Araby, it mentions Flying Carpets ;D
I've emailed them asking for permission to post the PDF on here, no response as yet. Watch this space. Or PM me...
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That sounds interesting. It would be great if you can publish the list, or if MM put it up on their site.
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That sounds interesting. It would be great if you can publish the list, or if MM put it up on their site.
PM sent.
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Ta, there is some really interesting stuff on there, and some truly wacky stuff too!! Sun Ray Mounted on Spikosaurus,
The only gap would seem to be evil dwarves.
It will take them a while to get that lot sculpted - even with a leavening of their historicals in some of the ranges.
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They kindly sent me the pdf as well.
I might be biased but this is the most exciting development in wargaming in the last couple of years ;)))))
I gave my feedback - hope they will prioritize the quickwins (e.g. the 2-3 missing figures for Araby)
It will take months if not years to release all that - perhaps crowdsourcing could accelerate the process and reduce the business risk for MM.
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I also give my two cents and kindly send me the pdf too.
Very very interesting. It is good to see such surprises in 10mm world
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Very interessting - would be interessted, too.
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I'm in the very early processes of getting a full Lizardman Army sculpted in 10mm. The sculptor has made a couple of greens to gauge style and scale and the caster is going to test cast them for me and send me some metal copies. I'm hoping to have them within a couple of weeks. I'll post up some pics and more info when I get them and have a chance to take some pics.
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@Awesomeshotdude
That certainly sounds very interesting. I would be very grateful to you if you posted pics.
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@Awesomeshotdude
That certainly sounds very interesting. I would be very grateful to you if you posted pics.
Yeah, I certainly will post pics. I'm hoping once the initial phase of getting a feel for the style and scale is complete, that the entire project will and take a few months to complete. Once it is done, they will be available for everyone to purchase.
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Sounds very interesting . I also would love to see pic's .
Stu
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@awesome... Interessted, too!!!!!!!! ;D
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Ok, here is a pic of a green of one of the test mini's. Please note, this is only a test mini to get style and size correct, it is not actually one of the mini's that will be a part of the range. As I said before, within 2 weeks I should have metal prototypes in my hand for evaluation. Once I'm happy with them (which going by the greens I am certain I will be) the sculptor will start on the full range and it is expected to take a few months to complete the masters and a few weeks after that they should be in production, like all things though, delays to that time frame is possible.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img841/6122/c9tr.jpg)
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this looks really promising! Will it be possible to buy some of the casts when you finish the army?
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That looks really good!
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love it!
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Oh, wow. I look forward to this muchly.
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this looks really promising! Will it be possible to buy some of the casts when you finish the army?
Yes, when they are all done, the full range will be available for purchase.
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Wow , excellent news .
Stuart
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thats great!!!
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I just heard from Bob Naismith today, he's accepted a 10mm commission of mine.
https://www.google.com/search?q=landsknecht+zweih%C3%A4nder&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ixlVU6XTGYLn2AWr5oGICQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1673&bih=972
Hoping to have a progress pic or two by the end of May. :)
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Dave - very interesting. Will they be "just" Greatswords, or are you having anything else sculpted. Halberdiers or Crossbowmen for example?
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Just the swords for the moment, but with the hope that I'll sell enough to pay for another commission (pikemen).
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It strikes me that perhaps it would be impossible to form a consensus across all communities for Warmaster to create something because of the sheer amount of options we would like to see explored.
However, it also seems that if several people could unite on a single commission together in a small cabal, something could get off the ground. Lots of people have pledged to the Evil Men kickstarter, and lots of people pledged to an ogre army when they were expecting a minimum of 4 unit types.
I would be willing to pledge a couple of hundred pounds with others in a group if at the end of the day some big hatted dwarves or beastmen strips were forthcoming.
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Depending on what was on offer on the big-hat front, I'd go £50-£75.
Warriors, Blunderbusses and a Death Rocket would be nice. I'd go with Eureka for the Bull Centaurs/Dwargons and the Earthshaker/Hellmaw though.
6 units of Warriors, 4 of Blunderbusses and a couple of Death Rocket units would be my wishlist, £6 or so per unit. If that's possible!
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Excellent option Dave....
I'll buy some when they're ready for sale to help fund some further commissions.
Put me down for 4 units.
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Sounds interesting , how many different varients would there be ?
Any officers etc ?
Could be intetested in four units and other people i know may be interested .
Stuart
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5 two-man strip variants, and a two-man command strip. 15 strips to make a unit.
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I think 7 wide strips with 3 variants with one command strip would be my preference.
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The problem with that approach was that the cost was higher (as it was by figure). Your suggestion would cost more than double to sculpt.
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Ah Dave, thanks for saying that, I didn't realise it would be like that. For Zweihanders having them facing forward in strips like archers actually makes sense when you look at how they are ranked in the skirmisher strips.
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5 two-man strip variants, and a two-man command strip. 15 strips to make a unit.
So a total of 12 different(-ish?) figures? Sounds a very reasonable approach.
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Yep, 10 line troops and 2 command. I'm going to ask him to allow them to be easily separated (like the Dwarf Rangers, not like the High Elf archers).
Either way, with 5 line troop strip variants there's 120 possible combinations you can exhaust before putting the same variant strip on a base twice. :D
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OK when you put it like that that does seem to make a lot of sense in terms of character combinations! I was a little skeptical as the Eureka and Pendraken single figures don't let you get many on the base and as such they don't seem to offer the sense of scale that the old GW strips did.
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The problem with that approach was that the cost was higher (as it was by figure). Your suggestion would cost more than double to sculpt.
Gotcha!
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If they are compatible with the old GW Empire range, I'll buy 4 units too!
Dave
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Ed's sending him Halberdiers and Skirmishers as a size/proportion/style reference. There will be no skull iconography on them however. :P
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Sound like I'm hooked for four units . Would these be in metal ?.
Stuart
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Just the swords for the moment, but with the hope that I'll sell enough to pay for another commission (pikemen).
Hmm, I'm not so sure you'd get much interest with Pikemen, there are plenty of suitable figures available commercially already TBH. Might be easier to break even/make a profit if you commissioned something that isn't already on the market?
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I don't know , some new pikemen would be nice .
Stuart
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Consider me down for at least two proper units of bihanders!
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A very interesting Russian 28mm company with decent prices - if only they did 10mm fantasy figures. Gotta love their chaos dwarves!
http://russian-alternative.ru/
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they make 28mm only. but I have a comission for using their CD art in my 10mm range.
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Bel, are you saying you'll be making 10mm Chaos Dwarves?!
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not now. Autumn/winter release probably.
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Oh my goodness that would be amazing!
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I will be interesting in on or two zweihandern.
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I may also be interested in a Zweihander unit or two, but would want to see the sculpts before making promises.
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Dave, I'm interested too in zweihänders ;)
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I may also be interested in a Zweihander unit or two, but would want to see the sculpts before making promises.
Ditto.
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What about Wm Wood Elves?
maybe the infantry and cavalry models can also be used for high elves and dark elves core?
even if the WE calvary have antlers, they could be trimmed to represent horses.
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I think Eureka and Copplestone are sufficient for Wood Elves right now - wardancers and eternal guard would be a more pressing concern, I should think in the WE list than cavalry.
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Magister Militum have announced the release of lots and lots of new fantasy stuff - it looks like most, if not all, of the stuff listed earlier.
This is very cool, as there was some really funky stuff, and they had stuff to fill in gaps of existing ranges, only a few photos now, but they say they will get more this week.
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oooh yes, great!
Will be duckmen, so great. Happy glorantha.
What is Trog? If you google it, it pops a kind of caveman cyclop demi-monkey?
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Great news! 8)
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Trog is probably short for Troglodyte, basically savages or cavemen.
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Good news from Magister Militum - but sadly little, if anything, in the way of photos of the new stuff :(
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Some photos here http://theminiaturespage.com/news/talk/msg.mv?id=2120405134
and they say they will be adding photos over the coming weeks.
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Those cavalry look great!
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if someone buy figures, IMHO could be a good idea sharing in the catalogue
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I've been off pretty focused on epic for the past 6 months or so, and I come back to this cambrian-esque explosion of 10mm fantasy!
The MM stuff is great news, however a lot of the stuff doesn't look that great, quality wise.... cetainly not up to Copplestone/Eureka standards.... admittedly there is still loads of stuff that hasn't been pictured yet which may be utterly awesome.... I'm quietly hopeful that this will spur other manufacturers and sculptors on to compete....
Re: the lizardman range being sculpted, the test green is really encouraging... I look forward to seeing more, I could be tempted to invest in a few thousand points worth... ;)
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Re: the lizardman range being sculpted, the test green is really encouraging... I look forward to seeing more, I could be tempted to invest in a few thousand points worth... ;)
The test metals have been cast up and were posted off to me last Friday. I'm expecting them to rock up on my doorstep tomorrow. So I should should have some pics of the metal casts of those test sculpts up in the next day or so.
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Oh wow, can't wait to see the lizard men!
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So remember, these are test models just to get a feel for the size and style and the actual models that will be a part of the range will have a variety of weapons and poses etc.
You can easily get a 5 model frontage on a 40mm wide base and the little guys fit a second rank no problems on a 20mm deep base, however the big guys don't fit a second rank, hence I'm requesting a more upright pose and the tail to point more to the ground rather than extend far to the rear.
I'm 100% happy with the little lizardman, no changes requested.
The big lizardman I have asked for a few changes to be made;
1) Increase shield size by around 30%
2) A more upright standing pose with tail pointing more to the ground (to facilitate ranking on the base)
3) A single tooth added to either side and towards the front of the mouth (to give it a bit more of a ferocious look)
4) Slightly increase the height (having a more upright pose will also help this)
So now I'm giving the go ahead on these, the sculpting of the actual range will begin.
The models in the two bottom pics have had a black wash so I could see the detail better as it is a bit hard to see it with a bright light shining on a silver model. Also, the tails are blurred in the last pic.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/awesomeshotdude/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/P1050480_zpsdd137676.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/awesomeshotdude/media/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/P1050480_zpsdd137676.jpg.html)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/awesomeshotdude/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/P1050496_zps31986707.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/awesomeshotdude/media/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/P1050496_zps31986707.jpg.html)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/awesomeshotdude/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/P1050497_zpsf5c7bbf7.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/awesomeshotdude/media/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/P1050497_zpsf5c7bbf7.jpg.html)
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oooh they look great, I think your proposed changes will only make them better! :)
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I like the smaller guy, the bigger guy less so. The head looks too cutesy and the shield more like a rock than a turtle shell (what I assume it's supposed to be). It might be hard to get many of them on a base when they're that long too.
The other criticism I have for the little guy are that his feet look a bit big.
Otherwise nice stuff. Also, not steal your thunder ASD, but I had eye candy as well waiting for me in my inbox this morning:
Landsknecht Zweihänder sculpts (Great Swords) (http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=6300.0)
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Oh my goodness! Finally the possibility of really good Reptilemen proxies appears.
Love them!
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Lovely lizardguys! I second yours and David's comments, although I would take them as they are, too :)
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those look splendid!
Let us know when we can get them (and how)
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Otherwise nice stuff. Also, not steal your thunder ASD, but I had eye candy as well waiting for me in my inbox this morning:
They're looking very nice mate, a lot of variety for the unit!!!
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Thanks for the comments on the Lizardmen guys. I'll certainly keep you guys updated on their progress on here. It's going to be a full range to provide alternate proxies of all the units so it will take a while to complete and at the end they will certainly be available for purchase for anyone who wants them.
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I'm in, the lizards look great, if the rest of the range looks as good it will be awesome, do you have any ideas on timescales at this point? Not neccessarily for finished product but for various units/designs etc? I'm keen to follow this project along!
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AHD. These are Eureka yeah?
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I'm in, the lizards look great, if the rest of the range looks as good it will be awesome, do you have any ideas on timescales at this point? Not neccessarily for finished product but for various units/designs etc? I'm keen to follow this project along!
I'm not sure how long the project will take to finish. I was given a very rough time frame of 3 months after the sculptor starts on the range, however I'm trying to get a bit more of an accurate time frame at the moment.
In terms of a time/period of miniature style for the Lizardmen, I'm aiming for similar styles to what we currently see but also a mix of older styles as well.
Once the project kicks off properly, I'll start a separate thread so I don't clog this one up and people can follow it there.
AHD. These are Eureka yeah?
Eureka will be handling the mould making, casting and sales mate, yes.
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It certainly looks like things are picking up as far as figure availability goes. Between now and next Christmas, (more or less!), I make it that we've got the following to look forward to:
Yann's Evil Men
Dave's Greatswords/Pikes
Bels' Steppe Goblins
Awesome's Lizardmen
Magister Militum's greatly expanded fantasy range
Happy times ahead ;D
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Yes Andy, from the distant places of the world 10mm comes, very interesting distribution:
Europe Italy
EEUU
Russia
Australia
Europe UK
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Those lizards are looking downright wizard! :D
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I got some more pics of some sculpts today. I'm asking for some better pics of the smaller Lizards, which I'll share when I get them, however the pics of the big Lizards were quite good, so I'll share them here now. I'm extremely happy with how these are turning out.
Big Lizard with Two-Handed Club
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/awesomeshotdude/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/k1_zps1dbaf5c8.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/awesomeshotdude/media/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/k1_zps1dbaf5c8.jpg.html)
Big Lizard with Two-Handed Spear
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/awesomeshotdude/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/k2_zpsbd6efa42.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/awesomeshotdude/media/Warmaster/Lizardmen%20Commission/k2_zpsbd6efa42.jpg.html)
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What size are they?
I assume they are in no-way similar to Kroxigor, rather than nothing like Saurus? :P (that gets confusing using negatives, but oh well)
Assuming they're Kroxigor size they look appropriate to me.
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That's much better :D.
Presumably there might be some sort of Velociraptor-based cavalry, some Dimetrodon-esque artillery type critters and a few Pterosaurs coming along at some point?
One would assume using those specific public domain names would get around any IP issues a certain other party might be tempted to raise?
The only slight downside is Eureka's prices, cheap they ain't! :o
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I like the club better than the spear, it just looks meaner. I have the same question as Geep, how tall are they?
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Stunning! I especially like the club!
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What size are they?
I assume they are in no-way similar to Kroxigor, rather than nothing like Saurus? :P (that gets confusing using negatives, but oh well)
Assuming they're Kroxigor size they look appropriate to me.
I like the club better than the spear, it just looks meaner. I have the same question as Geep, how tall are they?
I have three Infantry type Lizards being sculpted, lets call them small, medium and large Lizards for now. I don't know the actual height of the large Lizard, but I'm guessing around 20mm give or take, evidenced from the below pic.
That's much better :D.
Presumably there might be some sort of Velociraptor-based cavalry, some Dimetrodon-esque artillery type critters and a few Pterosaurs coming along at some point?
One would assume using those specific public domain names would get around any IP issues a certain other party might be tempted to raise?
The only slight downside is Eureka's prices, cheap they ain't! :o
Yes, absolutely. There will be a full and very usable generic Lizard army for use in any 10mm gaming system you wish. It will certainly include Raptor type cavalry, very large creatures that can carry crew and fire giant arrows and also flying creatures and a number of heroes/characters as well...plus some other stuff.
A size comparison pic I received today between a yet to be named medium sized Lizard and a large Lizard;
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/awesomeshotdude/100_zps3d5af5ac.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/awesomeshotdude/media/100_zps3d5af5ac.jpg.html)
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Absolutely amazing! Thanks for keeping us informed.
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The mid-sized lizards - Mediosaurs?
The little ones - Minisaurs?
The big ones - Largosaurs?
Of course, buyers could call them whatever they wanted to... :D
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The mid-sized lizards - Mediosaurs?
The little ones - Minisaurs?
The big ones - Largosaurs?
Seconded! It's good for a laugh.
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Excellent. Any plans for a "Toadasaur" leader? :)
Dave
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Excellent. Any plans for a "Toadasaur" leader? :)
Yes, there are plans for something to fill this role.
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oh boy! oh boy!
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Yes, there are plenty of good proxy Araby figures. The "missing" stuff, as I've mentioned before, is the magical/fantasy side of things, basically Flying Carpets and Djinns.
What about http://www.magistermilitum.com/sos2.html (http://www.magistermilitum.com/sos2.html) and http://www.magistermilitum.com/fos601-djinn.html (http://www.magistermilitum.com/fos601-djinn.html)
When I started with Warmaster (about six months ago) I have searched whole internet. And after that I could say that every army has proxies. Best list you can find here http://www.athens-fantasy.gr/ (http://www.athens-fantasy.gr/)
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Yes, there are plenty of good proxy Araby figures. The "missing" stuff, as I've mentioned before, is the magical/fantasy side of things, basically Flying Carpets and Djinns.
What about http://www.magistermilitum.com/sos2.html (http://www.magistermilitum.com/sos2.html) and http://www.magistermilitum.com/fos601-djinn.html (http://www.magistermilitum.com/fos601-djinn.html)
When I started with Warmaster (about six months ago) I have searched whole internet. And after that I could say that every army has proxies. Best list you can find here http://www.athens-fantasy.gr/ (http://www.athens-fantasy.gr/)
raia, good find! ;D
I think those figures must be new releases, they weren't listed on the website a few days ago.
When I get paid in a few days, I'll order some flying carpets :)
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Would love to see some pics of them. MM are a bit hit and miss I feel.
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Would love to see some pics of them. MM are a bit hit and miss I feel.
Just like Pendraken :(
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A pic of one of the three Raptor Riders;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/569x569q90/906/amY2Jj.jpg)
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That's very nice.
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this is AWESOME!
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Oh man yes!
MOAR PLS
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Ooooo, nice!
How many will fit on a 40x20 base, 3 or 4?
How tall is the mini to the tip of the spear?
When is the "Frogosaur" ;) coming?
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Looks absolutely fantastic . :)
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Ooooo, nice!
How many will fit on a 40x20 base, 3 or 4?
How tall is the mini to the tip of the spear?
When is the "Frogosaur" ;) coming?
I'm not sure how tall it is to the tip of the spear. I had them made so tall so it could also be used as a banner bearer, simply by adding a banner to the shaft of the spear. If people want the spear to be shorter it would be a simple matter of snipping it to length. Four of these guys (and/or the other 2 x poses) should fit on a 40mm x 20mm base.
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They are technicaly very very well made but... I don't like them.
They look gentle !
My Lizardmen are surely savage beast, with primitive instinct and barely a conscience. They are certainly not gentle dinosaurs like those figures looks like to my opinion.
So very well made... But definitively not fitting the dark world of Warhammer.
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Love the Lizards ASD! The only thing I'd have concerns about on the little lizard is the fact you couldn't go base to base with them on the table due to the spears sticking forwards and it would be hard to brigade them or put them in column.
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Marell, these are nothing to do with Warhammer =wink= =wink= =nudge= =nudge= they are a completely distinct and separate intellectual property, remember... ;-)
Anyway, these are miles ahead of the Pendraken/Kallistra ones, and it's great to see works in progress.
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Marell, these are nothing to do with Warhammer =wink= =wink= =nudge= =nudge= they are a completely distinct and separate intellectual property, remember... ;-)
Anyway, these are miles ahead of the Pendraken/Kallistra ones, and it's great to see works in progress.
I'm definitely NOT seeing that well known Dogs of War unit, Tichi-Huichi’s Raiders, here. Nope, not at all.
In fact, I don't think they are Lizardmen. They look more like Dinomen to me. Just saying like...
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They look like Runequest Newt men to me (wink).
Dave
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They are technicaly very very well made but... I don't like them.
That's cool, Marell, they're not going to be to everyone's tastes :)
Love the Lizards ASD! The only thing I'd have concerns about on the little lizard is the fact you couldn't go base to base with them on the table due to the spears sticking forwards and it would be hard to brigade them or put them in column.
Thanks Dobbsy. There will be 6 sculpts in total of those little guys, one of which is the spear carrying guy you speak of. If you offset the front and rear rank a little, you can fit them on in two ranks of 5 and have them close up to other stands front and back, but people may not want to offset them. When mixed with the other sculpts, there wouldn't be a problem, but people may not want to mix sculpts. In any case, the other sculpts will all fit on a stand and be able to close up without issue. These particular little guys can be used to man howdahs, poke large fire breathing lizards or act as skirmishers etc.
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sorry for the Caps...
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh that sounds fab!
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Yesterday I received examples from the production moulds for my Generic 10mm Lizard Army Sculpts. Bear in mind, these are meant for any ruleset that uses 10mm fantasy miniatures...however I've tried to make them as usable for all rulesets.
In regards to using these for Warmaster, all the mini's fit on the bases in a way that allows the bases to align against other bases in the unit without problems. The only miniature that will be a little tricky is the Raptor Riders along the short edges. These need to be placed on the bases with a little forethought and it may be that the tails need to be bent a little to the left or right to facilitate this, but this can be done very easily and they can bend to the left or right quite a way if needed. The neck and heads can be bent a little as well. In the pics below though, I did not need to bend any tails or heads, simply just paying attention to the placement of the miniatures was enough to get them all to fit.
To save on sculpting costs, I've tried to double up on some models. For instance, with the Lizard Warriors and Raptor Riders, you'll notice that one of them has a spear that is held vertical. This model can use its spear as either a spear, or a standard.
Completed so far and ready for production;
5 x Lizard Warrior Variants (I may get a sixth done)
6 x Gecko Warrior Variants
2 x Giant Lizard Warrior Variants (I may get a third done)
3 x Raptor Rider Variants
The sculptor is in the midst of completing the rest of the sculpts and we're still on target for a full range release before X-mas.
Anyway, some pics below. All these have been washed with a Black Ink Wash to help show the details as taking pics with light shining on white metal makes it hard to see details.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q90/633/Y4iwZp.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q50/537/Y0KZH5.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q50/540/mUaXn6.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q90/742/mvit0E.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q50/537/zlh2Sq.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q90/910/wWpQn8.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q50/673/9iOmKy.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q90/745/Wnb1O3.jpg)
...a base with 2 x ranks of 5 Lizard Warriors (too squished in?);
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q50/908/BG9W8N.jpg)
...a base with 2 x ranks of 4 Lizard Warriors (I think I'll capitulate and go with this option - looks less squished and easier to finish off basing);
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q50/538/8sikXO.jpg)
Geckos
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q90/907/0y4OGn.jpg)
...a group shot;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q50/537/mddACs.jpg)
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i'm blown away!
take my wallet to them...
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Excellent work.
Have you thought about how you are going to sell these?
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Thanks guys, glad you like them :)
Have you thought about how you are going to sell these?
Yeah, they'll be available through Eureka in Australia (I don't know if the international distributors for Eureka stuff will also have them, maybe). It hasn't been settled on what the pack contents or make up will be as yet because the last of the sculpts are still in progress.
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can you somehow get them made in Europe as well! ~£9 a pack from the UK distributor leaves me with a headache! this is why i only have 1 pack of Eureka 10mm at the moment. perhaps i'm living in the past, money wise :0(
thanks for the chance to have a high quality Lizard army :0)
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Great models! Well done Awesomeshotdude
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Great modelS, congratulations.
When you said they will be available through Eureka, you they will be in their webpage, etc...?
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Mate these are amazing! Just as I got GW some lizardmen, ha ha. Oh well!
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Will be getting some of these no matter how I need to order. :)
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Nice work
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cant wait to place an order!
any idea on when these will be available????
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I'm not 100% certain of an exact date when these, and the rest of the Lizard range, will be available. However, the full range will be available before Xmas. I wish I could give a more specific time but a lot of it is out of my hands and subject to various factors.
When they do go up for sale, I'll be sure to post it here immediately and they will be available to buy through the Eureka Online store just like all their other models. It won't be a limited thing either, they'll be available for as long as Eureka supports a 10mm Fantasy range.
@lawhock76 - With Eurkea handling the casting and sale of these miniatures for me, I don't think that they will be made in Europe, sorry. I think the UK is the closest country that casts up Eureka miniatures.
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http://www.fighting15sshop.co.uk/fantasy-144-c.asp
Fighting 15s are the distributor in the UK for Eureka. Would be great if they got them in the end. People say Eureka is expensive but you get what you pay for, they are great models.
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VERY nice!
I'd say 24 figures for a Lizard unit, 30 for a Gecko and 12 for the cavalry.
The Krox..., errm Giant Lizards certainly needs a third figure, especially if the only source is going to be expensive Eureka.
How about Salamanders, Terradons and Characters, including a Slann-type general figure? Maybe you could put a Salamander in the character pack? That's the only slight problem with Eureka, they produce some units to make a Warmaster army but never seem to do a "full" range. That and the cost of course :(.
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WOW !!!
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i don't find Eureka expensive, i think they come in around £6.50 a pack, its the shipping and UK taxes that bumps it up to £9.25 per pack. thats ~£180 for a good army! ~$300 ~$AU330 although Warmaster was £8 a pack before The Fall... everyone else is around £6 a pack, which is plenty for people like me with no self control and a collecting habit, and the angry Wife and hungry child!
rant over. look forward to more pics :0)
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Nice work!
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i don't find Eureka expensive, i think they come in around £6.50 a pack, its the shipping and UK taxes that bumps it up to £9.25 per pack. thats ~£180 for a good army! ~$300 ~$AU330 although Warmaster was £8 a pack before The Fall... everyone else is around £6 a pack, which is plenty for people like me with no self control and a collecting habit, and the angry Wife and hungry child!
rant over. look forward to more pics :0)
I know what you mean about shipping. I live in Australia which is very isolated from the rest of the Western world, so whenever I purchase something from the US, UK or Europe, I get stung real bad for shipping.
Sorry I can't make shipping cheaper for you to get the Eureka mini's mate.
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those look amazing
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They look even better in real life ;D
I now have some that I'll be using as characters for my army.
Do you know what else you'll be getting made Awesomeshotdude? There was a lot of interest in the store but the owner didn't seem to know.
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They look even better in real life ;D
I now have some that I'll be using as characters for my army.
Do you know what else you'll be getting made Awesomeshotdude? There was a lot of interest in the store but the owner didn't seem to know.
Oh, I wasn't aware that they had started selling them in store!!!
I still have the following being sculpted. As far as I know, they are getting close to be finished.
1 x Gecko on Pterosaur variant
1 x Spitting Lizard variant
1 x Stegosaurus variant
1 x Toad Overlord variant
1 x Lizard Hero on Carnotaurus variant
1 x Lizard Hero on Raptor variant
1 x Lizard Hero on Foot variant
1 x Gecko Shaman variant
1 x Gecko Hero variant
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1 x Gecko on Pterosaur variant
1 x Spitting Lizard variant
1 x Stegosaurus variant
1 x Toad Overlord variant
1 x Lizard Hero on Carnotaurus variant
1 x Lizard Hero on Raptor variant
1 x Lizard Hero on Foot variant
1 x Gecko Shaman variant
1 x Gecko Hero variant
This - is excellent news! <3
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I turn my back for 5 minutes and you go and fill the thread with awesomeness!!!
you *do* realise that I've got baby#2 due at the end of January and have no spare cash don't you?
but seriously, these are top-notch sculpts and casts, looks like the decision of what my 3rd army will be has already been made for me! great work all round!!
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I am especially interested in how the Toad Overlord will look!
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I am especially interested in how the Toad Overlord will look!
+1 on that ;)
Palanquin carried by LIzards or some sort of levitating throne or fits onto a Steg?
The other new stuff, how will that be available? Looks like too much for one pack of figures, especially the Steg, that must surely be a pack on it's own?
I'm guessing packs comprising:
1) 3 x Gecko on Pterosaur
2) 3 Spitting Lizards with half a dozen Geckos as handlers
3) 1 x Steg (+ Gecko crew and large crossbow-type weapon?)
4) 1 x Toad and the 2 mounted figures, 2 or 3 x foot figures?
That'd make a very tempting Lizardman army offering!
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fantastic news indeed
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I'm not exactly sure on how things will be packaged yet, that's still being worked out. The Stegosaurus and Carnotaurus will definitely be single packs though. There will likely be a "Hero" pack that will contain a Toad Overlord and a couple of each of the heroes/shamans.
I did a very simple paint job on a single Raptor Rider as I wanted to see what it looked like, and I wanted to start working out colour schemes for my own army. I took some pics of it finished along with some size comparison pics of it next to some Warmaster High Elves.
The paint job was just two thin coats of each colour followed by Army Painter Dark Tone dip and mat spray varnish once that was dry.
I'm going to try a blue rider and red shield too, I want to see if I like it better than a red rider and blue shield.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q90/674/Rf6Rkq.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/873x655q90/673/Xs63jJ.jpg)
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cant wait to get my hands on them :)
awesomeshotdude you are ehem... awesome!
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Nice stuff!
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Well these are without a doubt at the minute - the best Lizardmen proxy models available. I can't believe it - after only a year we've got quite a few 10mm model replacements becoming available!
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Here's a work in progress pic of the Stegosaurus dinosaur. The howdah and ballista still need completing.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1084x666q90/537/62Jgp3.jpg)
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That's nice. The face looks sufficiently grumpy and ready for a scrap as well ;)
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good looking!
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Ha ha! I can't believe it!
This is making me grin from ear to ear. =)
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*insert GIF of Fry insisting that you shut up and take his money*
That is jaw-droppingly good.... I am *pumped* for this range!!
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I'll need a few extra to convert for Epic Orks as well... :p
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Good point, Aquahog, I think they'd fit as Squiggoths. =D
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This is really GREAT ! Like everyone here i like the head very much.
Howdah looks great too. What do you plan to put on top ?
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Glad you guys like it.
@Marell - The howdah will have sides and should be able to fit a few Skinks inside it. I've not really specified any explicit look for it, so the sculptor will just freestyle what he thinks looks I reckon.
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I will be all over these like Shake n' Bake. ;D
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I have said it a couple of times but I will say it again;
I cant wait!
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I have just discovered this thread. Great work! At least as much excellent as the GW miniatures :)
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Was discussing Reptilians today and so, out of curiosity, I'm just bumping this thread to see if there's been any progress on these minis going to the open market via Eureka?
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I thought awesomeshotdude told that the minis will be made by eureka.
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I know that Eureka have sold some (maybe pre-release) to a few of our australian comrades already, so hopefully soon, it might even be worth sending them a message via their website to enquire.....
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I have yet to purchase eureka 10mm and I know its going to be a huge order. I guess I will just wait for these lizzies to show up for purchase before I pull the trigger. Which means my order will be even more massive. There goes my lunch money...
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Haven't seen this before, they are now on my need list, way past the want point!
Beautiful work.
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As suggested by kyussinchains, I traded emails with Eureka. They say that they're planning to release the 10mm Lizardmen in March.
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Well they look really cool .
An exciting time for all of use into 10mm minis .
Stuart
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Sorry I haven't really been posting on here about the progress of the Lizards. The range is now finished being sculpted and approved and Eureka are making the production molds during Feb for a March release. Fattdex from on here has also done up some excellent extra bits and pieces that will be available to make different variants for the Stegosaurus with a Howdah on its back as well as bits that can be used for themed basing.
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Will the extra bits from Fattdex be released by Eureka in metal?
Time of Madness
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Will the extra bits from Fattdex be released by Eureka in metal?
Time of Madness
I think the pillars may be but not sure about the extra bits for the back of the Stegosaurus. Fattdex may be able to answer more accurately on this.
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This will make a fantastic mount for an Army General I reckon :)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/awesomeshotdude/Pictures/GeneralsCarnotaurus_zps075fe9a3.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/awesomeshotdude/media/Pictures/GeneralsCarnotaurus_zps075fe9a3.jpg.html)
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That looks terrific
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Damn that's good. I guess there's no harm in adding more dinosaurs to my army...
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great. what is the height of this model?
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OMG , looks brill .
Seems like another project for me .
Stuart
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Yeeeees, very nice!
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love it!
I am getting so excited about these lizards!
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OK, so what's a good composition for a 2000 point not-Lizardmen ( ;) ) army, beyond the compulsory units?
Given that you're limited to 6 basic units (excluding Stegadon), I guess take 2 x Terradons and max out on Salamanders but then what? Mixed brigades of Skinks/Saurus? Are Kroxigors/Temple Guard worth taking, or are you better off with more basic infantry to boost the break point? Cold One riders are an expensive strike force, how many would you take?
There aren't really any mid-cost units, it's either cheap Skinks and expensive "others".
Given the limited command range, max out on characters?
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210 - 6 Skinks
300 - 4 Saurus
220 - 2 Temple Guard
75 - 3 Salamanders
270 - 2 Kroxigor
280 - 2 Cold One Riders
85 - 1 Terradons
250 - 1 Stegadon
95 - 1 Slann Mage Palanquin
45 - 1 Saurus Hero
140 - 2 Skink Hero
30 - 1 Skink Shaman
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2000 - 18/9
This is the kind of thing I'm going for simply because those are the units I have. =-P
Basically I have 1 too many temple guard and a couple of spare skinks so I'm going to try and push it towards 3000 points at some point.
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This is what I got to toy with....
Warmaster Army Selector
Lizardmen Army, 3535 points
Warmaster Armies
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350 - 10 Skinks
450 - 6 Saurus
110 - 1 Temple Guard
150 - 6 Salamanders
270 - 2 Kroxigor
560 - 4 Cold One Riders
255 - 3 Terradons
750 - 3 Stegadon
95 - 1 Slann Mage Palanquin
155 - 2 Saurus Hero
- 1 Carnosaur (65)
280 - 4 Skink Hero
110 - 3 Skink Shaman
- 1 Scroll of Dispelling (20)
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3535 - 29/15
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But for 2k I would do something like this (haven't tried my lizzies yet)...
Lizardmen Army, 2000 points
Warmaster Armies
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245 - 7 Skinks
450 - 6 Saurus
50 - 2 Salamanders
135 - 1 Kroxigor
280 - 2 Cold One Riders
170 - 2 Terradons
250 - 1 Stegadon
95 - 1 Slann Mage Palanquin
55 - 1 Saurus Hero
- 1 Sword of Destruction (10)
210 - 3 Skink Hero
60 - 2 Skink Shaman
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2000 - 19/10
For 2k max one steggie... and you don't really need the temple guards...
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I'm not really playing to win - and I bought the temple guards so I'm going to use them ;-P
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I've played against Lizardmen a couple of times, the Stegadon + carnosaur is brutal.
The short command radius forces you to stick together, which is good, as you keep all your troops together.
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Thanks for the replies guys :D
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Mine is going to look like this:
Lizardmen Army, 2000 points
Warmaster Armies
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210 - 6 Skinks
375 - 5 Saurus
220 - 2 Temple Guard
100 - 4 Salamanders
560 - 4 Cold One Riders
170 - 2 Terradons
95 - 1 Slann Mage Palanquin
210 - 3 Skink Hero
60 - 2 Skink Shaman
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2000 - 19/10
Max out Cold Ones cause its the only cavalry the Lizardmen have. I'm unsure on the number of Skink Heroes though.
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last time I heard this army was due for an April release. Since its April and I am renowned for my impatience could anyone share any news on the eureka lizardmen?
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last time I heard this army was due for an April release. Since its April and I am renowned for my impatience could anyone share any news on the eureka lizardmen?
They are all ready for production right now. Eureka will be putting them up on their webstore very soon. If you can't wait until then, you can email Eureka and organise a purchase by email...a couple of people have already done this. I have mine :)
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last time I heard this army was due for an April release. Since its April and I am renowned for my impatience could anyone share any news on the eureka lizardmen?
They are all ready for production right now. Eureka will be putting them up on their webstore very soon. If you can't wait until then, you can email Eureka and organise a purchase by email...a couple of people have already done this. I have mine :)
Yes, but what will the range consist of?
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last time I heard this army was due for an April release. Since its April and I am renowned for my impatience could anyone share any news on the eureka lizardmen?
They are all ready for production right now. Eureka will be putting them up on their webstore very soon. If you can't wait until then, you can email Eureka and organise a purchase by email...a couple of people have already done this. I have mine :)
Thank you!!