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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Discussion => [WM] Alternate settings and proxy armies => Topic started by: athensfantasy on August 04, 2013, 01:29:25 PM
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As many of you know, since GW stopped producing 10mm figures, I have started making lists that map warmaster troop types to miniatures that are widely available today:
http://www.athens-fantasy.gr/2013/07/warmaster-miniatures-in-the-post-gw-era/
There are several armies I haven't prepared yet, so I am turning this into a collaborative effort. Feel free to post ideas/links here and I will sum it up on the blog post to have everything collected there. I will try to keep it up to date as new lines are released to cover the gap in the 10mm market.
so this thread is about the Empire army:
Halberdiers
Handgunners
Crossbowmen
Flagellants
Skirmishers
Knights
Pistoliers
Helblaster
Cannon
Steam Tank
General
Hero
Wizard
Griffon
War Altar
Most should be easy with historical miniatures.
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Hello,
Helbardiers: pikenier from myself
Contact at www.warimperator.de
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Does anyone have suggestions for a Griffon / Steam Tank / War Altar replacement? Those would be the hardest, also the Pistoliers.
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How about this for pistoliers
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4296.0
(remember you can click the image to enlarge it)
the just a few ideas
Griffon: maybe Mirlington or 15mm manofacturers could have a griffon suitable. I use one of Granadier 28mm (a little bit big, but that is fantasy).
Steam tank: you have this http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4264.0
It is not a steam tank, but is the same idea.
I sometimes had use a WWII soviet autopropulsed artillery. Maybe with some modifications....
Another possibility is searching something in Troublemakers games (10mm) http://www.troublemakergames.co.uk/
War altar: You need a mage figure, a wagon and a 28mm figure painted in gold
:) hope it helps
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These from Pendraken make very good Pistoliers for Empire or Light Cavalry for Dogs of War:
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/EC10-p3039/
You get a standard bearer and trumpeter in the pack as well as 13 troopers. I guess one of the troopers is an officer figure, can't say I've looked too closely for the difference.
4 packs will get you 5 units :D.
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Add a smoke stack or two to the rear for a steam tank?
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/F9-p4017/
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Good point Andy, :) cool
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With different, or converted, crew figures, a proxy Steam Tank:
http://www.magistermilitum.com/scale/10-mm/fdw301-dwarf-war-cart.html
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Does anyone have a good proxy for flagellants?
I was thinking about extending my Empire army to also become a Witch Hunter army but only have 3 units of flagellants.
Thanks in advance,
Jo
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Does anyone have a good proxy for flagellants?
I was thinking about extending my Empire army to also become a Witch Hunter army but only have 3 units of flagellants.
Thanks in advance,
Jo
I'm using the Peasants from Kallistra as Zealots but they could be used as Flagellants.
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Laran miniatures have a witch hunter character pack.
http://laranminiatures.bigcartel.com/product/witch-hunter-party
(http://laranminiatures.bigcartel.com/product/witch-hunter-party)
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Hi
I was wondering if anybody had looked at the WizKidds unpainted figures of the Griffon as a proxy, or is it too big? It's meant to be on a 2"/50mm base in this pic:-
(https://wizkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/110_Griffon_UPM_HiresRender.jpg)
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
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Wow! Well as a General command base I'd put it on a 40mm round anyway, looks really dynamic.
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Hi
I was also looking at their Goblins and Human Barbarians for Ogres and Giants:-
(https://www.miniaturemarket.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/z/wzk72556.jpg)
(https://www.miniaturemarket.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/z/wzk72643.jpg)
Will have to look at the size. They are listed as 28mm but the base with the Barbarian is meant to be 25mm :o
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
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Did you check the Griff Hounds for Age of Sigmar for your griffin ?
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Hello marell le fou
Did you check the Griff Hounds for Age of Sigmar for your griffin ?
No but I looked at the price and for me it is $40 plus postage, while the Wizzkids is $10 delivered from the US.
Thanks for the info though, will store it away in case it's needed :)
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
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I'm looking at AOS Gryph hounds as mounts for demigryph knights, but not sure if they're a bit too big I've got some Old Glory Gothic Knights http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=HMR-120 which with a bit of light converting double as Knights Panther and Knights of the Blazing Son. But I really wanted some on demigryphs as well. I've thought about Splintered Light http://www.splinteredlightminis.com/horu09.html but think they're a bit "beaky"
Thoughts appreciated
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Those splintered light ones don't look too bad. A bit of light work with the fine file might see you right.
On a French warmaster forum there were some very tidy demigryph knights. I cannot find them there and remember them being tricky to find so maybe Marel or another of the French members on here could direct you if they know what I'm talking about. I think they used the splintered light models.
Gryph hounds look great but a little large, haven't seen them beyond pictures.
The warhammer empire generals set had a baby Griffin in it. You can see it here http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=37128.125 (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=37128.125)
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Found this pic of the Gryph-hounds showing their height.
Space being an issue, I've been playing quite a lot of Kings of War with 10mm Warmaster figures. You can play a decent sized game on a 2' square table or a proper game on a 2' by 4' table. In Kings of War large Cav have a height of 3 for working out line of sight. So I'm hoping as these are about 20mm to their back and then the rider will give them a height of 3 :).
3 of them on 20 x 40mm bases will then fit with warmaster and 60 x 40mm base will give me a horde in KOW. I might then just give them a potion of strength or something to explain there unusually large size.
Anyways, i've managed to pick some cheap ones up on Ebay. So I can see how they look.
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Please post up some pics when you get these delivered. By the time you lop off the plastic base they might just about be right. Three on a base might be a bit of a push.
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Sorry i mean 1 per 20 x 40mm base. So a regiment of 3 bases for warmaster and a 60 x 40mm base for Kings of War.
I’ve attached a pic of my knights
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I know this is only half a proxy. But this is going to be my general. I made him from the GW general sitting at a table with the legs and horse of an Old Glory knight.
I just wasn’t keen on the idea of him sitting around
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OK so the Gryph-hounds aren't exactly Demi-gryph size but I'm pretty happy with them. I think they scale in ok and love the models
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It's a shame that they're so big, they're beautiful models!
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Yeah, i agree with Stormwind, they are too big to make good demi-gryph. They are clearly normal griffin sized.
Anyway, they are absolutely great proxy for this mount, and for whatever you want to do with them. Demi-griff if you want demi-griff.
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The Wizkids Griffon would be too big, in my opinion. The Griff hound is a good starting point though.
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Can someone please confirm whether or not the Old Glory cavalry have separate riders or if it is an all-in-one casting?
Thanks!
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What are you thinking of ? Buying 15mm horses and change the front of the fig to obtain semi-grif ? It could work... Have to find a credible front for the fig, hence.
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I am thinking of adding the Old Glory rider to the Griffhound model. If riders and horses are separate it's a LOT les work.
But now that you made me think of it, maybe a headswap onto a suitable 15mm lion body might work well... then addd the OG rider.
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Hi
The Pendraken Dragon Riders from their Dragonmen range have separate riders:-
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/3198/FAN-DME11.jpg)
Or pester them to remould their TB Line Medievals
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1504/8570/products/TB4164_-_Teutonic_knight_1024x1024.JPG?v=1490104604)
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
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Yes the old glory knights are separate. That's exactly what I've done I've got three of them now although I haven't photoed them yet. They make a nice regiment. Yes they are too big for Demi-gryphs and I sort of wish I'd gone with the Splintered light 15mm ones.
Other thing to mention is the hands are closed and need to be drilled to take a wire lance.
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For Demi-gryphs, how about these from Magister Militum?
https://www.magistermilitum.com/scale/10mm/fmc202-hippogriffs-x6.html
They are certainly the right size, relative to a cavalry model. Just need their wings removed (clippers and a big mess with my Dremel I think)
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They're certainly size up better. Think the wings are behind folded back like that are too attached to the body though. Found these though https://www.magistermilitum.com/fks202-spire-guard-hippogriff-riders-x6.html I think the wings and rider may be easier to cut off.
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Well spotted.
As for which wings come off more easily, I guess it depends whether the rider is separate or not.
I feel a very messy 20 mins or so with my Dremel drill coming on... +/- a saddle / quilt over the back of the model made from wine-bottle lead foil...
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I think all of Magister militums 10mm stuff has attached rider. I just think maybe chopping them off at the waste might work
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Hello
It may be worthwhile asking MM about them, the additional information on both seem to suggest that there are separate parts for both, the Hippogriffs show 12 figures for 6 Hippogriffs and the Hippogriff Riders show 30 figures for 6 Riders (actually from a casting point of view they seem likely to have separate wings at least).
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
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I’ve emailed them. I’ll let you know what they say.
In the mean time my Gryph-hounds are nearly done so thought I’d post a pic
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The MM Griffins come as one cast
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I’ve decided the gryph-hounds are too big for demigryphs so I’ve given them wings and now use them as full blown gryphons
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I agree, they are correctly sized for gryffins.
You should propose them in the modellisme section too, they deserve it :)