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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Discussion => Topic started by: Dave on April 04, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
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So adam77 of TacComms created Armyforge (an app used to create Epic Armageddon army lists) a while back and I thought a similar tool for WM would be pretty useful.
Enter the Warmaster Army Selector app:
https://wm-selector.github.io/
I've done all of the lists from WM Armies and all of the tournament lists from WM Trial Armies so far, but not the exp. or fan lists yet.
Let me know what you think, what's broken, what could be improved, etc.
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How does it work? I can't seem to figure out how to add anything.
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Just like Armyforge. Which browser and version are you using?
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Also, as APP is become a more and more generic denomer......
is this an Ipad/Iphone app ?, or an android one ?? or even *shudder* a Mendix app
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Not one for re-inventing the wheel.
Try this Kazargen http://www.warmaster.pl/portal/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&id=8:rnoci&download=46:kazargen-java&Itemid=69
The source data is in XML so is easily modified if you wish to do so.
There are a few of the fan lists already included as well as the potential to write your own.
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nice idea Dave, but I'm having the same problems as SG.....
it's not working in firefox....
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Great I like the overview. But all the list are empty and do not know how to include or pick units to the list
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jchaos and kyussinchains, which browser and versions?
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internet explorer (not the last version, do not know exactly)
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Just like Armyforge. Which browser and version are you using?
IE 64-bit, it says.
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Not having much luck with Chrome either.
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Just uploaded a couple of fixes, let me know if you guys are still having problems.
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There we go. Works with Chrome. Nice quick and dirty army selector... oh, and the various banner/magic item add-ons are nice.
Re: Azrael's post, KazARGen is pretty nice: I like the fact that it prints out the army list with unit attributes etc. Even did a couple army list fixes on my own.
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It works! but there is an empty slide up-down bar in the middle of the screen. Except for this it works great.
A possible improvement could be a botton or something to erase some of the chosen units
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Very useful. thanks Dave!
@jchaos79 you can delete entries clicking on them
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jchaos, that bar should be gone now. Let me know.
I also had the app ignore minimums when the army is less than 1000 points.
Cary, having a ref sheet print is doable. How much do you want on there? Just the stats block? Special Rules text? Spells?
Would people use a QR code on the print out? That way you could get back to the app and the list from the print out.
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The bar is gone! now I have configure two possible chaos armies for my next game with your program 8) soo cool
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well having the stats and the spells could be nice to print 5 minutes after go to the game with all the information in one leaf of paper. I think is usefull
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Wow it works! Just investigating now, neato stuff!
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Ah! Excellent!
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It's working! Looks good Dave!
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It is simple and very friendly user, Congrat Dave,
Any chance to expand it for WMA?
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It is simple and very friendly user, Congrat Dave,
Any chance to expand it for WMA?
I like this idea.
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Glad you like it guys. My intention was to add the WMA lists as well. If anyone wants to help out with the JSON (what the app uses to generate the web page) I can point you to the examples. I was planning on finishing up the Exp/Fan lists first and then moving on to either the WMA lists or the stats/spell print out thing.
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its working fine for me on FF btw :)
thanks! should be quite usefull
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I only just realised that I only ever need one general in my army. I thought I needed one for every 1000 points! For High Elves that's 180 pts I was putting aside for every 1000.
Oh well. x-D
*Initiating tactical facepalm*
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Experimental lists added guys, fan lists are next.
I also fixed a bug in IE that had to do with removing an upgrade that granted a character the ability to use magic items (like the Kislev Tzarine upgrade).
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And fan lists added.
A quick question: beyond the Cauldron of Blood and the Grimgor's Immortalz what other units require that you take something before you can take them?
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I added the ability to add a stats block and/or the plain text list to what's printed. See the print tab for one line of instructions. Next up with be the special rules and spells, again allowing you to choose what you'd like to print.
Note: I'm still trying to figure out how to rotate the stat block headings by 45 degress in IE8 and prior. It works in FF, O, Chm and Saf though.
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That's a fantastic app, thanks. :)
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Messing around with ways to include the special rules. The Empire list has the functionality at the moment:
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/army_selector.html?list=empire
Useful? Yes or no? Same for Spells?
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Hi, that's very useful indeed. Being able to see everything on one side of A4 will be a great help for those of us who don't play as often as we'd like.
If it were possible, I'd prefer not to see the stats/rules for units that are not selected. I'd also like to be able to input the army point cost so that the min/max worked accordingly. I'd imagine that would be a lot of work and what's here is already great.
Thanks again for this, it's brilliant.
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pw, got an example of how the min/max isn't working? Everything I've managed to come up with hasn't broken it.
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Hi Dave, this is my mistake, I'd not noticed that the min/max warning changed when you hit 2000/3000 etc. It looks like the app is cooler than I thought!
To make the print version neater (and easier to fit on one side of A4) I wonder if it would be possible to either (a) shrink the list aspect a little or (b) add the number of units/points in a column next to the relevant stats? Again, this is just wishful thinking and totally unnecessary!
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You're looking for a # of units column and a total points column next to the stats block (so the army list and stats block combined essentially)? And a Special Rules list only with the rules for those units in your list?
That's doable, although rather than change what's up there now I'll probably add "Stats Block+" and "Special Rules-" options, that way people will have the choice of what to print. Might have to add some hover text for them as they might cause some head scratching.
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That's right, I think it'd be the neatest way of presenting all of the useful data in the smallest space.
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I created my army selector through EXcel but this is simply awesoem
Dave, when do you believe you will have the special rules input for all the races?
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...also, do you ever see the addition of the details being included for print for the magic items selected?
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Special rules require a bit of formatting, once I find my momentum figure a week or two (depending on how busy things are at work).
Magic Items should be doable too, the nice thing about that is I only have to do it once. To be honest though the Pick a Card... Magic Cards are probably the easiest way to remember what those do:
http://sites.google.com/site/wmplaytest/work-in-progress-1/publications
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sorry, i have probably read over this, but how do u change the point value in the app?
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Change the point value of what? The army? It's calculated every time you add or remove something.
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Doesn't seem to do that for me, either.
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Dave, I tried this out last night with a friend who'd not played WM before and it was brilliantly helpful. Instant army lists/rules got things going in no time! Thanks.
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Doesn't seem to do that for me, either.
To confirm, on the Selector page, you don't see the bold unit # and point cost change whenever you add or remove something? Do you see anything bold at all below the red warnings?
What about the text page? Does that report points and totals?
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No, the limits are always set at 1k. If I put a 2k army list in, anything that is over the 1k limits gets flagged.
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Is this happening exactly at 2000 points or at things slightly less than 2000?
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See what you get here:
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/army_selector.html?list=skaven&label=&0=8&2=4&4=8&6=4&7=2&8=1&10=1~OM*1&11=4&12=2~ScD*1
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See what you get here:
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/army_selector.html?list=skaven&label=&0=8&2=4&4=8&6=4&7=2&8=1&10=1~OM*1&11=4&12=2~ScD*1
That will happen until you get to 2000 points. E.g., I clicked the clanrats up to 19 on that list, and the warnings went away (because the points value was then at 2035). Dave and I talked about this briefly offline. Adding on a feature that would set the army size (like 1000, 2000, 3000, etc.) would apparently involve a whole additional level of complication to things.
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That's not a legal list SG, you only qualify for the 2k maximums if you have at least 2k. Because you don't it's assuming the 1k maximums. All you have to do is add another 15 points of magic items like this:
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/army_selector.html?list=skaven&label=&0=8&2=4&4=8&6=4&7=2&8=1&10=1~OM*1&11=4~SwF*1~SwM*1&12=2~ScD*1
However, you're still able to print your 1985 point list (and with no warnings) should you want to short change yourself the 15 points.
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chaos special rules are empty. Is not working
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Only the Empire has Special Rules and Spells at the moment. I was looking for feedback there before I did the others.
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I found it very interesting! I do not know if there is a lot of effort for you.
What I like is that you can prepare your army, then print it and go to the game with only one piece of paper.
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What I like is that you can prepare your army, then print it and go to the game with only one piece of paper.
+1
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OK, back from vacation and had a chance to work on this a little bit.
I've added pw's requests. You can now print out a "Stats+List" and "Special Rules Used". The first is the stat's block plus a number of units and costs columns. The second is exactly what it sounds like, the special rules for only the units in your list.
Again, the special rules stuff is Empire only at the moment, Ill work on the JSON for the rest of them as I have time.
What other requests are outstanding? Magic items for the print out and WMA army lists?
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YOU ARE KREDIT TO TEAM
I look forward to using this to print out lists to teach new people how to play WM...
Once I learn all the rules myself. :-X
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I've just had a look at the Empire list and it's fabulous. I had a game last night (Empire v Dark Elves) and we used the list builder to generate the lists and it was a great help, with the new functionality it'll be better still.
My next request would be to be able to enter the points value of the game at the start of the process so that the error messages related to that value rather than the value of the list selected. This is way beyond unimportant but it's a tweak I'd enjoy!
Thanks again for your work on this, it's one of the best online WM things I've seen and certainly the one I'll use the most. If there are hosting costs I'd gift some paypal to this project.
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My next request would be to be able to enter the points value of the game at the start of the process so that the error messages related to that value rather than the value of the list selected. This is way beyond unimportant but it's a tweak I'd enjoy!
I can think about how to do that but answer this for me:
Why do you want to take the time to enter the list total and then add units when the list total can be generated for you while you add units?
Hosting is free for this, thanks to google's app spot. Although I won't say no to free figs people have laying around for the effort. :P
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I used your generator for a game last week and is great!
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Why do you want to take the time to enter the list total and then add units when the list total can be generated for you while you add units?
I don't know really, habit I guess from other similar apps. On reflection, scratch this request.
And you do deserve a treat for all of this work, what sort of things are you after?
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Spells and special rules added for Undead and Chaos.
A question for you guys: Would the print tab be easier if it was just clicking to add things to the print preview, rather than drag and drop? Order would be determined by the order you click things.
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I think it would add to the awesomeness - yes. :)
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I don't think there's much in it but probably! I'd imagine that the standard order will be:
Stats+army merged
Special rules used
Spells
A button that did just this would be perfect for me (I can't see much reason for wanting to see units/rules that aren't in play).
In the interest of 'printing on one side' it might be worth abbreviating the spell text to just the rules.
I can't remember, but does the list element include Break Point? If not, it would be useful.
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I don't want to get into setting defaults as there's going to be too many opinions on that. What I could do is have the print order saved with the rest of the army though. That way you could always go back to it.
It doesn't compute break point (it be simple if it weren't for armies like the Brets) but it does give you a unit count which is useful in that regard.
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Fair enough, dragging or clicking the relevant bits certainly isn't arduous (though I'd expect that the default above is likely to be the one most often used).
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Orc, High Elf, Dwarf and Skaven spells/rules added. I also changed the spell/rule layout to two-column justified. You'll need a CSS3 compliant browser to take advantage of it but that should help with printing.
Also I just realized that Skirmishers are being counted as full units. To keep it from doing that I'll have to add the logic and JSON attributes for breakpoint, so I'll probably end up doing it.
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Looks awesome, thanks for this!
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No problem.
OK, the WM Armies now have spells and special rules. I also added some additional error checking for Skirmishers and the Cauldron of Blood, as well as Unit/Half (for determining army withdrawal) totals where they're needed.
Still to go are Magic Items and Magic Items Used, saving the print preview with the army list, and using clicks instead of drag and drops for the print preview. After those I'll tackle the rules/spells for the trial armies, and the WMA armies.
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screaming bell = 0-1 right now, should be 1 (as its a general only mount)
keep up the good work though!!
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Are we looking at the same list? It's 0/1 in the latest WM armies? But since you can have only a maximum of 1 in the army the app changes it to 0-1.
1 would require that at least one always be present.
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1 would require that at least one always be present.
They are not mandatory... and of the top of my head it is 0-1 per ARMY
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Right, that's what's being enforced currently (as per the special rule notes on it). Although WM Armies does have it has -/1.
I can't have it as that in the app though as there needs to be a way to differentiate between -/1 and 0-1 per army, so it shows it as the latter.
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thing is, only the general can take it..... perhaps add it to him only as wargear?
only trying to help bro, not make ur life more difficult :P
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I don't think we're using the same list. The WM Armies list has it moving only when it touches a unit. It isn't a general upgrade.
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Ohhh... shiny!
I like where you're taking this.
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wth oh lol sorry. was late and i wasnt readin properly /blush
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This is awesome Dave!
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I was trying to explain Warmaster over the weekend to an interested friend - used this app and the Epic one to explain list building to him a bit!
Great stuff!
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Alright, after a couple of false starts the new print UI is up, along with the ability to save how the you want the list printed. Additionally I added the Magic Items (Used) items for printing.
Let me know if anyone runs into any problems.
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Spells and special rules added for the first four trial tournament armies.
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Armyforge is an awesome tool and its great to have that for WM as well! Thanks Dave!
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Glad you like it.
The special rules and spells have been added for all the trial tournament armies.
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Great work! Very handy!
Don't know if it's easy to fix but the bretonnian breakpoint is determined by counting the knights only (Knights, Grail Knights and Pegasus Knights).
Greetings,
Gerald
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Pretty easy, I just forgot some flags. All set.
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Special rules and spells added for the experimental armies. Just the fan stuff left to go and then I'll start figuring out how I'm going to tackle the WMA stuff.
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And the fan lists are done.
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Excellent!
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Hi Dave
Not sure if easy or not but after playing around with this, do you think the print out for the Stats+List option would be improved if the '#' column was at the start before the 'Troop' names?
Happy with what you have done. Just thought it may make it easier to read when selecting minis for the army just before the battle.
Awesome program either way though. Love you work
Cheers....
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Probably my last suggestion would be with the Print option.
Is it easy to enable the 'Print to one Page' option?
At present I select; Stats+List, Special Rules Used, Magic Items Used, Spells, and Army Rules. I then use the browser print options for a Print Preview to knock it down to 70% and then print. That is fine for me, however I understand it may be small for some others. Just wondering whether it was possible for the option to Print all selected option to 1 page.
Thanks again
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I can move the # column, although I like it where it is. If more people want it moved to the start though I'll consent. Other alternatives would be putting zebra stripes on the table (easy), or perhaps making the table rows sortable (you drag and drop to the order you want). The latter might be tough though given how clicking on a item removes it from the print preview, not sure I could finagle it and keep the current system.
On the printing, there's not a lot I can do here. Given all the different browsers, paper-sizes and font choices out there it's impossible for me to come up with AND enforce CSS that will have everything print on one page. Like you said, the browser does give you the option and manipulates the content as best it can, that's where this kind of user preference should be taken care of. If people do want it at 100% though the best they can hope for on a couple of these lists is a double sided piece of paper. WM special rules can get long... (see the War Wagon as an example).
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Thanks Dave
Happy with what I have and with what you have done. Great work.
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Just discovered the print with stats option there - absolutely amazing! This will really help me getting starter lists done at the last minute in the future. =P
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I added the Warmaster Ancients special rules (just noticed there's some errata for them though, I'll get to that later) and the first two Chariot War lists.
Any chance a mod can sticky this on the WM Historicals discussion board too?
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I just picked up a copy of WM Medieval Armies. Any chance of these being included in time?
Again, great work on this - just had a look over the selectors for the two WMA armies I have the most interest in, and they are definitely a leap up from what I was using.
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Yep, I'll get to them at some point. With the historical rulebooks not being digital they take a bit more time.
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Cool.
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Yes really cool!
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Hi Dave, is there any chance of this app making its way onto an Android phone version? It'd save me writing Battlescribe data!
By the way, I'm still enjoying using this app, it's very handy.
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It's just HTML and JS, so you should be able to view it on any mobile device. What happens when you go to the site on the android?
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It works but it's tiny!
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I'll do some research on what's a good resolution to test in and see what I can come up with for a mobile style sheet. What's yours? And how would move things around to make them fit? Or what would you get rid of?
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I think the easiest way of making this work on phones would be to put the data into a format similar to battlescribe, if you haven't tried it you might want to take a look, there is a free version of the phone app. Sadly there doesn't seem to be a data file for Warmaster yet but it works well for Warhammer.
If you wanted to use your online version as a mobile app I think it would mean splitting it into more screens that you can toggle through somehow but that sounds like a lot of work. For now the current version works ok and I don't think it would be worth redoing unless you have the time and energy to make it into a 'proper'
Phone app
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I don't have a smart phone and there's no screen shots on their website, can you describe it/what you're after? What resolution is your phone?
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Hi Dave, I don't know about the resolution of the phone but it's fine for general internet browsing. The nice thing about Battlescribe (which also works on desktop computers) is that it has a dedicated mobile version that's designed with the smaller screen size in mind. There are some pictures of it on the Battlescribe blog here:
http://battlescribe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/battlescribe-mobile-11206b-released.html (http://battlescribe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/battlescribe-mobile-11206b-released.html)
Essentially it presents the same (or similar) information as the current WM app but the presentatioin is different. The only way I can describe it is that it feels (to the user) like tabbed browsing. It also means that you can work on lists offline. Given the complexity of writing apps (I assume it's complicated) it may well not be worth the time it would take to set up.
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Which android model is it? Is the screen portrait or landscape? I'm betting it's close to 320x480. Not sure if I could go much smaller than that.
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It's an HTC one v, the screen can do landscape or portrait.
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I just used this army selector app and think it's fantastic! Thanks so much to whoever did this, really appreciate it. ;D
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Dave is the man
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Glad you like IP.
jchaos, did you ever get a chance to look at the Pelo lists for WMA? I'm still trying to figure out if it's 2 lists or 3.
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Not have the book right here, but I will try to check it out
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A very nice app! :D Great work!
Noticed a small thing;
The Chaos Dwarf general can't take a lammasu, he should be able to if upgraded to sorcerer lord.
cheers
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A very nice app! :D Great work!
Noticed a small thing;
The Chaos Dwarf general can't take a lammasu, he should be able to if upgraded to sorcerer lord.
cheers
Now that was a great pick up! Especially seeing I am using that list this week. Great work :)
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Glad you like IP.
jchaos, did you ever get a chance to look at the Pelo lists for WMA? I'm still trying to figure out if it's 2 lists or 3.
Edmund has do it.
http://sg.tacticalwargames.net/forum/index.php?topic=4489.15
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The Chaos Dwarf general can't take a lammasu, he should be able to if upgraded to sorcerer lord.
Fixed.
Thanks Ed and jchaos on the pelo stuff. That's how I did it.
PW, I think I've come up with a good solution for mobile devices. Not sure when I'll have time to style it though. Maybe a month or two?
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Not adding any real content to the thread; I just wanted to say thanks to Dave for this great App. I made so many lists with it already!
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After making a force and selecting the print option, it is printing the front selector page from the site (where you select your army - 3 pages) before it prints the army list itself with your selections.
I am using Firefox 14.0.1 on Windows 7 if that helps
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Should be fixed now, let me know if otherwise.
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Will you be using the rules updates from WMAA and WMMA? Aside from some changes to Phalanx and Skirmish, the Huns have had -10pt off thier Allied Cav (now 70pt), and Attilla's special rule has been changed. (Guess what I just ordered ::))
I've said it before, but Armyforge and this app are godsends, Dave. Awesome work!
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You mean the PDFs that were on WH before they closed? Ya, I got them. Anything in those will make it on to this.
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Dave
Sorry to be so long in this one however there appear (from my end anyway) to still be problems with printing out a list.
here is the list that was put together: http://wm-selector.appspot.com/army_selector.html?list=chaosdwarf&label=&print=sl,sru,sp,miu&0=6~SwD*1&2=3&3=2&4=4&5=3&7=1&8=1&10=1~0*1~2*1~OM*1&12=1~1*1~RM*1 (http://wm-selector.appspot.com/army_selector.html?list=chaosdwarf&label=&print=sl,sru,sp,miu&0=6~SwD*1&2=3&3=2&4=4&5=3&7=1&8=1&10=1~0*1~2*1~OM*1&12=1~1*1~RM*1)
If you print that list you get special rules missing, as well as spells and Magic items.
Using Firefox 14.0.1 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
I also tried to make up another standard list (undead) with pretty much the same results.
All that seems to print correctly are the 'Stats+List' selection
Thanks in advance
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Looks like there's something wrong with the print styles. I'll take a look at it Monday.
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Typos:
Special Rule: Light Artillery - In bullet 3, 'line of sight' is misspelled 'night'
WMAA Lists: Syracusians - Unit type 'Gauls' is misspelled.
On a related note: is it wrong to want to play Syracusians largely so when I lose a combat I can say "You've bested my Spaniards"?
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You're trying to trick me into giving away something...
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Typos and print problems fixed.
ALSO
I just rolled out a big backend update. You guys shouldn't notice anything different with the following exceptions:
1) I simplified the JSON while I did this, but there's always the chance that I didn't change it all over to the new format. As always, let me know if something is not working right (validation, showing/disappearing, etc).
2) I changed how the army saves itself as a URL (the new ways a lot quicker and the code is nearly half what it was). This means that old URLs will no longer work. If that's a big deal for people I'll work on a converter.
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One last bit, the new design makes it a lot easier to implement a mobile version. I'll be working on that next.
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Awesome work Dave!
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@Dave
(http://www.whosawesome.com/images/awesome.jpg)
:) Thanks alot!
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Skaven - when printing, the "Special Rules Used" option is not populting correctly. Also, it is not outputting to the printer properly - I get a header, footer, and blank page.
edit- actually the printing problem appears to be universal; I'm using IE.
edie edit- Printing works in Chrome, though the Special Rules Used still doesn't populate for the Skaven
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I've got it working in Chrome, not IE yet though. I have no idea what it's barfing on. The styles work fine if I apply them in the browser, when I have them applied in the print preview though... no dice.
I also found out that IE doesn't support all of JS, and specifically a few methods I was using. Awesome!
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Good job, guy!!, Warmaster will never die for people liye you ^_^. Very useful and easy to manage!!
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Set up a list for tonights game. When trying to print I get this
Full rules for Cannons, Flame Cannons and Gyrocopters are in the Artillery and Machines section of the rulebook. Use this misfire chart for the Flame Cannon.<table><tr><th>1.</th><td>The Flame Cannon explodes and is destroyed. No attacks are caused.</td></tr><tr><th>2.</th><td>The Flame Cannon emits an enormous belch of fire inflicting a total of 4+2D6 attacks on the target before it explodes and destroys itself.</td></tr><tr><th>3.</th><td>The Flame Cannon makes a worrying wheezing noise before spewing out an unusually smoky flame. Six attacks are inflicted this turn but the number of attacks caused by all further shooting is reduced from 2D6 to 1D6.</td></tr><tr><th>4.</th><td>The Flame Cannon splutters and its boiler goes out. The crew scramble around to re-light it. The Flame Cannon does not shoot this turn but is otherwise unaffected.</td></tr><tr><th>5.</th><td>The Flame Cannon chuffs out a great gout of soot, covering the target in black smoke and hot coals. Ten attacks are inflicted this turn - otherwise the Flame Cannon is unaffected.</td></tr><tr><th>6.</th><td>The Flame Cannon lurches in its mountings and heaves forth an especially huge flame inflicting 12 + D6 attacks on the target. The Flame Cannon is otherwise unaffected.</td></tr></table>
Looks like a formatting issue with the table ?
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Should be fixed now.
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I will check tonight
Dave.... how is the app set to handle Army selector size. I noticed it does not like me maxing to a 2k list (I get error messages), but it does NOT currently allow me to actualy set the Selectormultiplier ?!
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Do you have examples?
The app is setup to handle all that for you. Note what you're probably running into is a 1995 point list being evaluated based on the 1k limits. It's only at 2k does it switch over to the new mins/maxes.
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OK, hmmm....
example given, for the EuroGT we would normally define playing armies at 1750 points using 2k min/max.....
I am thinking that for event organizers to "check" lists it would be easy to "import" them and see if they flag.
I understand the way your set-up works now, but being able to define the Armyselector multiplier used might help.
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So you're looking for something that'll allow you to override the rulebook's constraints to set your own min/max level?
Would entering in the max points somewhere be useful too? That way it can report errors if you're over?
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So you're looking for something that'll allow you to override the rulebook's constraints to set your own min/max level?
Would entering in the max points somewhere be useful too? That way it can report errors if you're over?
Well.... I would not call it overriding the restraints..... you define the army selector multiplier. Lets say, we decide to play a battle with 2k min/max (which means army selector times 2)
but yeah, it would help to be able to determine the level too !! , so if it also allows to set the MAX at say 1750.
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I meant the rulebook constraint that a 1.75k list is treated as a 1k for min/max purposes.
I'll see what I came come up with.
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Technically, Dave, the rulebook does state that the maximum number of points is what matters, not the list size. It's been left out of the PDFs, but p127 of the hardcopy states:
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You may find that you cannot use up every point, so your 2000 points army ends up as 1975 points, 1990 points, or some such odd amount. This doesn't matter. The important thing is you cannot pick an army woth more than the points value you have decided on. Although it's actual oints value might be slightly short, it is still considered to be a 2000 points army.
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(Emphasis in the original)
I think it would make sense to include an editable multiplier, allowing a user to know whether or not the force is legal at X thousand points without having to finish the list to exactly that point first. This would also allow such situations as Lex describes to be dealt with fairly simply.
edit- Allowing a seperately entered max points would probably not be neccessary: I think most of us can figure that part out on our own!
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Dave I'm having a problem printing the Skaven army list. It comes up as a blank page when I do.
Any ideas?
Cheers
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Are you using IE? If so, I still haven't figured out a work around for it yet.
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Dave I'm having a problem printing the Skaven army list. It comes up as a blank page when I do.
Any ideas?
Cheers
Use Chrome. Worked for me.
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Hi Dave,
I've found two bugs:
- In the Egyptian list, if you choose the two upgrades for the General (Ramses and Chariot), appears a warning message that should not appear as you could have both upgrades without problem
- The second is more important. In WMA, all units able to Skirmish and without Armor save, do not count towards the Breakpoint. The exceptions are:
1- Armies with more skirmishers than not-skirmishers units: all the units count for the BP
2- Scyted chariots never count towards the BP
In the lists (not verified all, but yes some of them) the Army selector counts skirmishers without armor for the BP calculation. As the selector shows the BP value of your army, it would be nice the app could show it correctly.
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Any chance of the army selector still grow?
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I might have some time over the coming holidays to work on the bugs and add a list or two.
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Thank you Dave, really appreciate that.
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Yep. Honestly the biggest hold up is how long it takes to type the printed lists into a spreadsheet. If you want a specific list and have the time, create a spreadsheet of the army's selector table.
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what is a spread list?
I can type the info in a excel or something you could copy paste and send it to you... or help in some way you want to... but have in mind I am a pc user, not a pro.
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A spreadsheet. What you use Microsoft Excel or OpenOffice Calc to create.
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I use microsoft excel.
If it is compatible with your software, you want to and realease work for you, send me a excel form to fill it up to jchaos79@yahoo.es and I will try to send you armies.
Let me know other combination or plan you think it could work
:)
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Just wanted to say thanks for creating the army selector. :) Very useful thing!
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Hi, the other day Ed and I have a game of orks vs orkd, and we notice that in the army selector the spell of waaagh has a chance of success of 5+, when I think it should be 4+.
If it is a type error will be great to fix it.
thanks.
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Hi,
We discussed within the board a change at the dwarf gyrocopters. Would it be possible to change within the Army selector the gyrocopters to 360 degrees sight?
Regards,
Jürgen
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I can, yes. But does it need to be stamped "official" by the community?
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I think the majority of the community is fine with that minor change.
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Can I just re-iterate how wonderful the Army List Selector is? Used it tonight to print out lists for me and my opponent!
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Fully agree to Stormwind. Fantastic tool from Dave!
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Yep, fantastic tool. Especially the print function for a part time player like me who always forgets the spells and special rules.
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Really like the army generator .
I have sime questions regarding building a demon army .
1 can a character have both the mark of the gods and wizard up grades ?
2 does the wizard upgrade reduce your attacks by 1
3 when choosing a demon army what is a reasonable all round army to field ?
kind regards
Stuart
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@ Dave: I know there are some problems printing with Internet explorer. Is there a chance that you will fix them?
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Entually, the selector's on hold while I work on a new format for Epic's tournament pack and army list compendium.
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Oh man I would love to see the Epic list expand!
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I've gone through an fixed some of the list errors. Sorry I hadn't been keeping up with them.
On this one:
In WMA, all units able to Skirmish and without Armor save, do not count towards the Breakpoint. The exceptions are:
Could some go through each of the WMA lists and tell me which units shouldn't count towards breakpoint?
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Hi Dave,
Sorry I haven't seen this post until today. I will let you know soon.
Thanks!
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The following units of each list do not count for the Breakpoint of the army:
Egyptian Army: Skirmishers, Chariot runners.
Hittite Army: Skirmishers, Chariot runners.
Assyrian: Skirmishers.
Homeric Greek/Trojan: Skirmishers.
Greek: Skirmishers, Mounted Skirmishers.
Achaemenid Persian: Skirmishers, Scythians.
Alexandrian Greek: Light infantery, Skirmishers, Mounted Skirmishers.
Late achaemenid Persians: Skirmishers, Mounted Skirmishers, Scythians, Scythed Chariot.
The succesors: Light infantery, Skirmishers, Mounted skirmishers, Scythed Chariot.
Indian: Skirmishers.
Republic Roman: Skirmishers, Mounted Skirmishers.
Imperial Roman: Skirmishers.
Carthaginian: Skirmishers, Numidians.
Gallic: Skirmishers, Mounted Skirmishers.
German: Skirmishers.
Britons: Skirmishers.
Dacian: Skirmishers, Mounted Skirmishers.
Sassanid Persians: Skirmishers, Mounted Skirmishers.
Late roman: Skirmishers, Mounted Skirmishers.
Early Byzantine: Skirmishers, Mounted Skirmishers.
Hun: Skirmishers.
Anglo-Saxon: Skirmishers.
Norse: Skirmishers.
Norman: Mounted Skirmishers.
The parthians are the exception:
Parthian: Armies with more skirmishers than not-skirmishers units: all the units count for the BP
I don't have right now the WMAncient Armies book, I will update the rest as soon as possible.
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I should be able to update those Monday. Not sure what I'm going to be able to do for the Parthians yet.
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Hi Dave,
Within the Witch Hunter army is a little mistake. The pistoleries have a shooting range of 30cm instead of 15 cm.
Regards,
Jurisch
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Hey Jurisch,
The selector is right, they have only 15cm as the Empire ones, it is indicated in the Witch Hunter Army List.
Cheers
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Hi,
I know, but in the statistic of the selector it shoes 30 cm. In the description it is correct with 15 cm.
Regards,
Jurisch
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Ah! Ok, ignore my message as I misunderstood your post
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All set Edmund (except for the parthians) let me know if I missed any.
All set Jurisch.
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Thank you Dave
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I think what you've done regarding the armies generater is briliant . I have a slight problem though . When it comes to upgrading , a unit or charecter . When viewing upgrade it gives you seconds to choose then goes of amnd deletes the choice you were upgrading .
Is there spmething I'm doing or not doing ?.
Stuart
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Which browser and version?
Also, does it happening with the selector that's getting phased out?
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/
Or with the new selector?
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/mobile.html
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Latest version on my mobile , tablet .
Do the list . Look at upgrades , lasts seconds then reduces your lists by the unit you were upgrading .
Stuart
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Again, brower and version?
I just uploaded an updated mobile version, see if it's still happening.
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/mobile.html
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hello ,
just a quiry ?
is it the right way round flying carpets in Araby army attack stats 1/2 , so the carpets get two shots ?
kind regards
Stuart
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Through the closing of the GW homepage we have now a problem with the links in the selector.
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The links on the mobile selector work:
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/mobile.html
I'm not going to bother changing the links on the main one, as 1) it'll be replaced completely with the mobile selector in another month or two and 2) I completely trashed my development machine (thankfully I was able to recover all my data but that took some doing).
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We have just noticed, that min/max values are mixed up in Norse army selector - The values for Ulfwerener are mixed up with those of Cavalry. Furthermore max value of Bondsmen are mixed up with Huscarles max.
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Rebuilding my dev environment was a little easier than anticipated. I fixed the Norse min/max values, and I changed the PDF links Jurisch.
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Rebuilding my dev environment was a little easier than anticipated. I fixed the Norse min/max values, and I changed the PDF links Jurisch.
You da man!
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Hi,
hope this is the right place to report a mistake in the orc list print out (stats+list). The wyvern is markt as Chariot Mount and not as Monstrous Mount as it should been.
Ole
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Fixed.
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Found a little bug
Cathay army --> crossbow 35/2 for min/max
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Found a couple of small bugs with the Norse list the other day.
The first two units (bondsmen and huscarls) have special rules against them - but should have none
And the Valkyrie line is missing - this one is a bit odd to fit in the format, as it is shown on the army list, but can't be bought, just summoned by the Horn.
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Found a couple of small bugs with the Norse list the other day.
The first two units (bondsmen and huscarls) have special rules against them - but should have none
And the Valkyrie line is missing - this one is a bit odd to fit in the format, as it is shown on the army list, but can't be bought, just summoned by the Horn.
+1 from me.
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Fixed that and Cathay.
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Fixed that and Cathay.
Thank you Dave
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Just re reading some warmaster magazine I realised there is a Weihnachtsmann army to be included in the armyselector ;D ;)
nice armylist !
Have someone ever used it?
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Never heard of it jchaos.
I updated the Ogre Kingdom Leadbelcher rules, as per this:
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=6094.0
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Yep is in nº3, it is a christmas armylist, with elves, santa claus, trolls throwing presents, a snow cannon, polar bears... it is a list for fun. ( not sure but thin it was made by brumbaer)
I think it is no necesary to update the armyselector with it, just I forgot about the armylist and the other day I realize it exists, so I made he post.
Could be fun for the pleasure of converting, creating and modelling a unique army, but do not think it will generaly accepted ;)
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Hi guys,
I found a possible bug in the armybuilder app > Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009 > Bretonnia
Trebuchet is 1/6 where the document says it's 1/4.
Trebuchet originally was 1/6 for Trebuchet for 150 points, but it got cheaper (100 points) in the Trial Armies list so I guess it's been made 1/4 on purpose.
Is it a bug or not? If it is, could you please fix it? If it's not, let me know so I know that I should play it stronger in the game against DE tomorrow. :)
Thanks!
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It was a typo, it's 1/4 in the trial armies. Fixed.
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Thanks Dave.
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Found a tiny bug in Army Selector today.
Goblin Army (tournament armies) - Wyvern: Generals and Wizards may ride Wyverns.
However, it is also possible to select it for Goblin Hero.
I'm not sure what the intention was for no allowing heroes to ride wyverns when they can do it with O&G list, but that's what the Compendium says.
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Fixed.
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Thanks for creating and hosting Warmaster Army Selector Dave. I use it everyday, my mobile even has it as it's home page :D
I have recently been messing around with Cathay and found the Crossbows are wrongly costed at 3pts a unit.
Again, amazing work Dave on this app.
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I'll try to get to it Monday. I'm working on an update to the app ad well, mobile functionality from the ground up. No ETA as it's a spare time project.
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Awesome! :)
/Mlkr
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Oh wow mobile functionality would really help me and my friends!
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This is the stop gap:
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/mobile.html
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Fixed the Cathay crossbow cost.
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I've updated the army selector: http://wm-selector.appspot.com/
(http://wm-selector.appspot.com/)
I still need to add the PDFs and organize the lists within the tabs. There's also some validations that I need to get to as well (mainly around upgrades, play around with it and let me know what's missing). Beyond that, maybe a QR code print item, a page with a write up explaining the editions/PDFs and the missing army lists.
Anyway, like I said, play with it. You've got a mouse-based (classic) selector and mobile selector for touch-based screens now. You can also drag and reorder your print items, and a few of the errors are more specific. There's also a donate link. The app will always be free, but if you want to buy me a Señor Pibb go for it.
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In case anyone would like to help me enter WMAA and WMMA armies for the selector, I've added this JSON editor:
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/#/json-editor
Basically type stuff in and it generates the JSON (at the bottom of the page) that you can send to me to put in the app.
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This app is excellent - thank you Dave!
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No problem. Glad it's of use.
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I've found it invaluable for last minute army building - I'm very grateful for it.
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Google's Cloud Platform (where I host the Warmaster Army Selector) is no longer going to be free. That means that sometime in the next 30 days the app will cease to work because I don't feel like paying Google. The good news is GitHub has us covered, and the URL going forward will be:
https://wm-selector.github.io/
This also means that any links to army lists you saved on the old URL will need to be updated in order to work. Changing "wm-selector.appspot.com" to "wm-selector.github.io" (you're saving a whole two letters!) is all you need to do. Leave everything else in the URL as it is.
I have a little more work to do in terms of figuring out an easy automated deployment, but that won't affect anyone using the app at the new URL in the meantime.
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It's been a very long time since I was here n the boards and sorry to resurrect the dead chaps but will the app be updated for Revolution 1.2.1? I noticed a few pricings for magic items etc have changed.
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Once they receive approval and I have a chance to get it, yes. I don't incorporate the preliminary changes.
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I added a separate WMR Dev pane today, for the 2022 developmental changes.